[meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of scorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org

From: al mitterling <almitt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:35:03 -0500
Message-ID: <50ACCC12F157485EA7F856E4E78B8BD1_at_StarmanPC>

Hi Elton and all,

I also talked to Bob Haag about the lunar find and your account is the same
one that Haag told me. Besides offering part of Calcalong Creek back to the
Australians, he also donated some of it for NASA for scientific research.
That was back before their was any meteorite export laws. As Martin said,
few meteorites are now coming to light because of all this. I agree that
rather than sit behind a keyboard and complain, why not go out and spend
lots of your time, gas, money and knowledge and hunt for more specimens to
be turned over to the Australian Institutes?

Robert Haag has always been very enthusiastic about hunting for specimens,
the science behind them and making money which is no crime. The complaintiff
tried to make me feel guilty and sell some of my Australian specimens to him
at a reduced rate because I shouldn't have had them without verifying where
I got them from. There have been exchanges of material to other institutions
from Australia so trade for some of that material are possible. I carry the
export permits (or copies of them) with me in the case of any questions.

One should get their facts straight before posting to this list. In the end,
both hunters, collectors and researchers should work toward a common good to
bring about more information on the mysteries, histories that meteorites
hold.

--AL Mitterling

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr EMan" <mstreman53 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of
scorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org


> Bob, standing firm or not-- you are talking out your rear. Everything
> you've ranted about is based on falsehoods and the fake facts you or your
> countryman invented. I've had a decent respect for you Bob, but this
> fairy-tale is an insult. The description of Haag "raping and pillaging" is
> a over the top. It is an attempt to revise history by creating a set of
> "false facts" underpinned in hyperbole. Contrary to your claims it isn't
> the truth you are trying to share.
>
> For the record and admittedly from memory, let me recount the
> circumstances of what ignited Australia's meteorite export law. Haag did
> not go to Australia looking for a "lunar meteorite". He wasn't at the
> Millillibillie looking for chondrites to pillage. He was collecting
> Millillibillie when an unusual rock was brought into the collecting
> station. Were it not for Haag it would still be out there on an ant hill,
> unrecognized. Milli is a eucrite, Calcalong was a lunar so where are all
> these chondrites you are complaining that he raped and pillaged?
>
> When Calcalong Creek was recognized as lunar, an Australian Academic went
> ranting and raving and when he couldn't extort Haag to give him the entire
> meteorite, he went whining and crying to Parliament to get it back. He
> couldn't but they threw him a bone so he would shut up.
>
> You had politicians that saw an angle and exploited it. They were able to
> keep the Aboriginals repressed yet again but forcing them to sell their
> finds to the state at state set prices. If meteorites were such an
> important cultural heritage then why didn't the academics go looking for
> meteorites themselves? Why did they go uncollected? Why has Australian
> meteorite science been stagnant for the last 20 ears? Haag offered half
> of the Calcalong Creek lunar in a spirit of cooperating and the Australian
> academic (who's name escapes me) told Haag to pack sand.
>
> Until that time there were no laws regarding meteorite export and Haag was
> paying the Aboriginals to collect them on their own land. Using the same
> criteria, you are a rapist raping the Australian "Herritage" yourself,
> prostituting yourself for profit. Sounds like your main rant is that you
> didn't think of the raping and pillaging first. Just using your own
> hyperbole to illustrate a point.
>
> I understand you claim to be venting, but venting is no excuse for
> spreading facts that you know aren't true. Lay off the exaggerations,
> stick to the science and leave politics to scorpions. Good luck in
> getting your export permits.
>
> Elton
Received on Mon 15 Dec 2008 11:35:03 AM PST


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