[meteorite-list] pronouncing "Ensisheim"

From: Zelimir Gabelica <Zelimir.Gabelica_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 11:59:43 +0200
Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20080425112838.02704e10_at_pop.univ-mulhouse.fr>

Hi Anne, Larry, all

I'll try to help in pronouncing "Ensisheim".

As you said, Anne, Alsace (Ensisheim) changed nationality many times during
the modern era (for details, I urge you to read and re-read the nice book
of Philippe Thomas and Lea Dejouy "Histoire de M?t?orites", part 1:
"Ensisheim" (2005, 184 pp, euro 26.40, discounted on "Meteoritica" web site).

Basically, people here still use to speak "Alsacian" (which is considered
as a language, thus more than a dialect). It is close to German (or Swiss
German) and the pronounciation of "Ensisheim" is the same in both
languages, something as "Enn-Siss-Haym".
But the Alsace region is now in France where French is the only official
language.
French rather pronounce "Enn-Siss-Heym" (close but different at the end).

I'll be glad to read how it is actually pronounced in other foreign
languages (Dirk ?)

This being, if I can help anybody in trying to "write" how to pronounce
other names of French meteorites, I can try.
Just ask.
The weirdest name to pronounce correctly in English seems to be "Orgueil".
I even can't find how to write the end part, as this is the tricky one (but
I can consult experts in writing phonetic pronounciations).
I am however voulonteering to give particular pronounciation lessons next
June during the Ensisheim show (for which I just sent you many details a
few minutes ago).

Best wishes,

Zelimir



A 16:08 24/04/2008 -0400, Impactika at aol.com a ?crit :
>Hello Larry and List,
>
>Obviously, you are talking about the Ensisheim Show, and I pronince the name
>the way that looks most likely to me, something like En-zi-sheim. But mybe
>you should ask the local people since yes, the area has changed nationality
>repeatedly thru the centuries. Maybe Zelimir can help.
>
>But I can help you with Orgueil, or L'Aigle.
>And many names are easy to pronounce if you break them down, something like:
>Mill-bill-hill-lie.or Ta-fa-ssa-sset.
>Nothing to it!!!
>
>BTW: Anyone of you in the Denver area this weekend? we have a nice,
>relatively important Show at the Holiday Inn. Go here for details:
>_http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_spring.htm_
>(http://www.mzexpos.com/colorado_spring.htm)
>
>See you there, maybe.
>
>Anne M. Black
>_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com)
>_IMPACTIKA at aol.com_ (mailto:IMPACTIKA at aol.com)
>Vice-President of IMCA Inc.
>_www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc)
>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 4/23/2008 9:38:27 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
>lebofsky at lpl.arizona.edu writes:
>Hi all:
>
>Sounds like a new Meteorite magazine column to me!
>
>Could be done alphabetically or by country (would need volunteers from the
>countries involved [regional for USA?] or people who speak the language).
>
>Anyone want to volunteer to do it/oversee it? Start it off? Anyone, anyone?
>
>By the way, off line I got this suggestion (sort of) from Anne Black and
>my question to her is:
>
>There is a Gem and Mineral show the occurs every year during the summer,
>in Eastern France, where a meteorite was seen to fall (over 500 years
>ago). How is it pronounced? I bring this up since someone today mentioned
>asking Anne how to pronounce French meteorites and, in Anne's room at the
>Tucson show, I heard two different pronunciations of this show/meteorite
>from two people who spoke with French accents! Yes Anne, you still have an
>accent!
>
>In this case, does it have to do with the fact that it is near a
>German-speaking country?
>
>Larry
>
>Co-Editor, Meteorite magazine
>
>
>
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Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Universit? de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
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F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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