[meteorite-list] Fwd: Pronouncing Willamette and other meteoritenames

From: mexicodoug at aim.com <mexicodoug_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 01:40:25 -0400
Message-ID: <8CA731BA9CF8CF7-1188-2823_at_webmail-db08.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Chris, Darren,?
?
No comment on the Americanization or Anglification, but?
Allende is a proper surname and spliting the L's like Darren?
mentioned ("Al-len-de") goes a little beyond beyond what?
would seem reasonable. Alas, as long as everyone has?
their subjective criteria, and all understand, it becomes like?
scientific names in Latin. No one remembers the "right"?
pronunciation and it is an unrelated linguistic acrobatics to?
even guess what it might have been. That said, pronun-?
ciation might be more flexible for buyers and less so for?
sellers ;)?
?
I guess there is nothing wrong with calling Washington:?
Watch-een-toe, in the bilingualized USA, but it might not?
get you elected, then again, nowadays, maybe it would...?
?
For those who enjoy doing as the Romans, Allende locally?
is not pronounced locally as "ah-JEN-de", though it is in?
parts of the Southern cone. I bet that there is a British?
vs. American gem somewhere that would bring this closer?
to home.?
?
How many are "guilty" of camping for Campos when?
it sounds more like compost. And maybe Cielo really should?
sound like Jello or Chello...depending on who says it...?
?
I'd write "ah-YEN-de", just to avoid turning it into an ending?
like "-dey" or similarly "-day" though I understand the "y"?
polices the "e" for English speakers. to keep it from sounding?
like the River Dee, but also overly prolongs the last syllable.?
?
Saludos,?
Doug?
(ok back to work)?
?
-----Original Message-----?
From: Chris Peterson <clp at alumni.caltech.edu>?
To: Meteorite Mailing List <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>?
Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:47 am?
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pronouncing Willamette and other
meteoritenames?
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Actually, "lama" is perfectly correct English for llama; the word isn't
Spanish, but Quechuan, which has a much softer palatal L than most
Spanish (and even in Spanish, LL varies in pronunciation from "Y" to
something very close to "L", depending on region and dialect). And the
Welsh LL, as in Lloyds, will hopelessly twist the tongues of most
non-native speakers. Suffice to say it is nothing like "L" or like "Y".
It's a fricative, something like "khl".??
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Chris??
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Garrison"
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To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>??
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:39 PM??
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pronouncing Willamette and other
meteoritenames??
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> Actually, now that you mention it, that makes since, but I, >
personally, have??
> never given the Spanish factor a first thought, and have always >
thought of it as??
> "al-len-de". It just never crossed my mind for a moment to pronounce
> it??
> "ah-yen-dey". (I also don't call llama yama, or Lloyd's Of London >
Yoyds of??
> London-- nothing wrong wth Anglification of words adopted into >
English).??
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