[meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ?

From: Dave Gheesling <dave_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:07:22 -0400
Message-ID: <C51DE08A02C24E0598B544DB20054E6E_at_meteorroom>

Martin & All,
This is a very important issue, and hopefully it will be picked up by IMCA
or some other organization willing to take it to some level (or levels) of
objectivity. The litany of points along the slippery slope of tracking
provenance make this a somewhat complicated issue, but complicated does not
equal impossible. It is absolutely absurd for offers such as the top two
below to be made over eBay with zero evidence to support provenance and an
apparent lack of response to requests for the same. M. Altmann also
contributed some excellent points. IMCA BOD, are you ready to roll? Much
more important than the question of an orientation rating system, this is a
great opportunity for you to establish some kind of framework around which
to "blow the whistle" with credibility when something stinks like left out
fish...
Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dark
Matter
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 11:32 PM
To: Mike Bandli
Cc: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ?

Hi Mike and all,

I too am curious about some of the rare meteorites I see advertised on
ebay, and I look forward to reading something that demonstrates the
authenticity on these historic piece beyond the somewhat unnerving
statement that "This meteorite is guaranteed to be authentic or your
money back !!"

Over the years I have acquired a sizable portion of a world-class
collection among other special pieces and have above average knowledge
of material distribution, and of course, a vested interest in
preserving the reputation of the historic and valuable specimens.

For example, some recent ebay offerings included Bialystok and
Andover, two historic falls of extremely low distribution. Here are
the auction links.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Bialystok-Meteorite-Rare-Historic-Howardite-from-Poland_
W0QQitemZ250229710427QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250229710427

http://cgi.ebay.com/Andover-Maine-Meteorite-Witnessed-Fall_W0QQitemZ25022971
1253QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item250229711253

Representatives of both these localities are in my collection and I
have written about them in my Accretion Desk articles. Here are some
pictures:

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/November/andover.jpg

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/November/bailystok.jpg

http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/November/bailystok_number.jpg

Although I have not chased down all the total weight of the pieces of
Bailystok distributed over time, I have personally gone so far as to
contact the Humboldt museum (the original source of my piece and its
number) shed light on the distribution of this extremely rare and
historic howardite. Therefore, the appearance of half a gram of
Bailystok on ebay was somewhat extraordinary, only to be outdone by
its low selling price.

Andover is another matter. Its distribution is greater, but still few
have comparison. At $425/g for an L6, I hope there is more than an
Nininger quote to back up its provenience.

Other thoughts?

Martin



On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Mike Bandli <fuzzfoot at comcast.net> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I'm sure there are a couple people on the list that benefit from your
eBay
> authenticity posts, but maybe you could set that time aside for doing a
> little research as to where your 'Zulu Queen' meteorite really came from
(if
> it really is Zulu Queen). No sense it in pointing out other people's
> authenticity issues if you can't back up your own.
>
> Still waiting for an answer (the truth).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mike Bandli
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Evans
> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:47 PM
> To: Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>
> Subject: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ?
>
>
>
> I guess it amuses me when I get a response from some idiot selling junk as
> meteorites on ebay
>
> Case in Point :
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/meteorites-and-collectables_W0QQitemZ110242519960QQihZ00
> 1QQcategoryZ3224QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Response to my inquiry regarding authenticity :
>
> Dear maccers531,
>
> " your not going to like this but its intuition ive been studying them
for
> awhile now and i know what im doing because also when i check certain
areas
> i found stuff at i go back later and ive recovered what ever else new
fell
> around they are planetary and ill probably be told no its not real but i
> know they are and if you do not like them send them back for a full
refund
> and also the magnet the look the fusion lets talk "
>
>
> - deazombie
>
> Duh !
>
> Seems like all these people selling fakes one ebay share the inability
to
> spell correctly and use proper grammar.
>
> BE
>
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