[meteorite-list] looking to trade for very rare canada piece

From: Mark Grossman <markig_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 17:33:27 -0400
Message-ID: <00e301c8982d$d9ac5800$6501a8c0_at_QED>

This brings up a question that comes up time and time again, having nothing
in particular to do with Steve's sample, which troubles me somewhat.

I have seen all sorts of sales where dealers don't know the provenance of
the samples other than they just obtained them from other dealers, or
dealers who don't know where they obtained the samples from, or dealers who
think they know where the samples came from, and then when you check out the
information, it turns out that the information is false - this happened to
me once when I was considering purchase of a historic sample.

Some dealers are certainly able to provide detailed provenance - they either
have copies of the museum labels or records, or found the samples themselves
and have all sorts of detailed information. Other dealers who don't know
the provenance are completely upfront about it and will let a sale pass them
by rather than give out misinformation.

In any event, I would be interested in other people's thoughts - as well as
stories about provenance of samples - both good and bad stories -about what
provenance should be provided and expected when one puts up a historic or
rare samples for sale.

Seems that there should be some sort of established criteria for evaluating
provenance as well as confirming identity - museum label, other
documentation, physical/chemical examination against a definite standard (an
established specimen, etc.).

Right now, it appears that provenance is a side issue in many sales, when at
least in my opinion, it should be on the top of the list.

In any event, I have only been a collector for a little more than a year, so
these are my impressions to date, which may or may not be correct.

Thanks for any feedback!

Mark Grossman

PS - Again, I did not bring this issue up because of Steve's sample. Just
presented the latest opportunity to bring this ongoing question up.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Bandli" <fuzzfoot at comcast.net>
To: "'steve arnold'" <stevenarnold60120 at yahoo.com>;
<meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] looking to trade for very rare canada piece


Steve,

Are you sure this is Edmonton? What is the detailed provenance? Some of the
biggest private collectors in the world have tried to exchange for it with
institutions and have been unsuccessful. How did lil' old (big) Steve
Arnold, Chicago, get a hold of such a coveted iron? Also, can you please
provide some detailed photos of the specimen?

Kind regards,

Mike Bandli


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of steve
arnold
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 6:11 AM
To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] looking to trade for very rare canada piece

Good morning list.People have had alot of interest in
my edmonton,canada meteorite as of late.So after many
thoughts and what I am looking for,I decided I am
willing to trade it,but for only 1 certain canadian
meteorite.I have always liked the word bear.Like teddy
bear,black bear,polar bear,etc.And the one meteorite
that I know that has the word bear in it,is GREAT BEAR
LAKE.I am willing to TRADE ONLY,no cash,no monitary
means,only trade for a piece of the great bear lake
meteorite.I know that there is not alot,so I am
dangling this out there.If anyone has a piece,I do not
care how small,I will trade my 70 gram slice of
edmonton for it.To me this has my holy grail I have
been looking for along time.So if it does not
happen,it stays here and is put away.Thanks for your
time.


                 steve arnold,chicago

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
       The Asteroid Belt!
      http://chicagometeorites.net/
      Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999
      Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites




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