[meteorite-list] Cosmogentic dating, and bad science on ancient meteorite impactor?
From: Paul <bristolia_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 10:12:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <219730.74827.qm_at_web36203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dear Friends, In? [meteorite-list] Bad Science on ancient meteorite impactor? - Part 2? < http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2008-April/043471.html >, I wrote: ?Hermanns et al. (2006) also noted of the younger deposits, which contain the frictionite: ?Pieces of wood recovered from a reconnaissance gallery in the Tauferberg gave a conventional 14C age of 8710+/-150 years BP (Heuberger, 1966), and an AMS 14C age of 8705+/- 55 years BP (Ivy-Ochs et al., 1998),? References Cited: Hermanns, R.., L.. Blikra, M. Naumann, B. Nilsen, K. Panthi, D. Stromeyer, O. Longva, 2006, Examples of multiple rock-slope collapses from K?fels (?tz valley, Austria) and western Norway. Engineering Geology. vol. 83, no. 1-3, pp. 94-108.? Note, the other two references are: ?Heuberger, H., 1966, Gletschergeschichtliche Untersuchungen in den Zentralalpen zwischen Sellrain-und Otztal. Wissenschaftliche Alpenvereinshefte. no. 20. Ivy-Ochs, S., H. Heuberger, P. W. Kubik, H. Kerschner, G. Bonani, M. Frank, and C. Schluchter, 1998, The age of the K?fels event. Relative, 14C and cosmogenic isotope dating of an early Holocene landslide in the central Alps (Tyrol, Austria). Zeitschrift fur Gletscherkunde und Glazialgeologie. vol. 34, pp. 57?70. In ?Cuneiform clay tablet translated for the first time? (EurekAlert (press release), DC, March 31, 2008 ) < http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-03/uob-cct033108.php >, the authors of ?'A Sumerian observation of the Kofels' impact event'? state that this so-called impact is recorded in a tablet dated about 700 BC (2700 BP) and occurred 3123 BC (5123 BP). If the above radiocarbon dates are calibrated to calendar years, they indicate the Kofels event occurred about 9700 BP calendar years. This is approximately 7000 years before the event was recorded and approximately 4600 years before they argue that this so-called ?impact? occurred. They dismiss the radiocarbon dates by claiming that the wood samples were somehow magically ?contaminated? by the impact. I say ?magically?, because there is not a practical way that an impact, especially an imaginary one, could have contaminated the wood samples buried by the landslide. The radiocarbon dates are supported and the claims of ?contamination? are refuted by cosmogenic isotope dating, which would be unaffected by an impact. Cosmogenic isotope dating by Ivy-Ochs et al. (1998) that yielded dates of 8880+/-490, 10,070+/-520, and 10,630+/- 570 calendar years BP. These dates are very close to the calibrated radiocarbon date of about 9,700 BP. Thus, they confirm that the K?fels landslide occurred thousand of years before either the Sumerian tablet was argued to have been made, or the when the so-called ?impact? was suppose to have occurred. The K?fels landslide is much too old to have any connection with any of them. Reference Cited Ivy-Ochs, S., H. Heuberger, P. W. Kubik, H. Kerschner, G. Bonani, M. Frank, and C. Schluchter, 1998, The age of the K?fels event. Relative, 14C and cosmogenic isotope dating of an early Holocene landslide in the central Alps (Tyrol, Austria). Zeitschrift fur Gletscherkunde und Glazialgeologie. vol. 34, pp. 57?70. Cosmogenic isotope dating links Cosmogenic isotope dating of a Sioux Quartzite erosion surface, Southwestern Minnesota by Carrie Patterson, MGS http://www.geo.umn.edu/mgs/beryl10/SiouxIntro.html Cosmogenic Exposure Dating and the Ageof the Earth http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/tcn.htm Additional thoughts on the K?fels "impact" / landslide can be found at: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2008-April/043471.html Yours, Paul H. ____________________________________________________________________________________ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com Received on Wed 02 Apr 2008 01:12:04 PM PDT |
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