[meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?

From: Trace <temetnosce_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:37:52 -0700
Message-ID: <003101c79752$6ff83b40$b2ea5218_at_userdb9uc8zjg7>

As a novice I would like to say that I appreciate it when people point out
fraudulent ebay listings. It gives me a chance to see more meteor wrongs so
that I will be better informed when I make my purchases.

I may not buy $6000 items but the pictures are worth more than that to me.

Trace


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill" <glixard at inbox.com>
To: "Jason Utas" <meteoritekid at gmail.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?


> This is just another old beat up issue.
>
> Lurking novices don't buy 6,000 dollar unknowns. They buy worthless micros
> from guess who.
>
> Many have been chastised for bothering the list with obvious ebay
> scammers.
>
> No attack was made. An opinion was expressed in a fact of the matter way.
>
> Met-list is not a podium for a selected few. The so called innocent
> lurkers that need to be saved should hear all points of view and the best
> thing that we could ever have here would be a greater participation by
> everyone.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: meteoritekid at gmail.com
>> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:11:02 -0700
>> To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?
>>
>> Hello Ken, Bill, Mark, All,
>>
>> Ken's message just informed 600+ people that there was a fraudulent
>> seller on ebay.
>>
>> Ben's post told 600+ people that *he* was fed up with reading other
>> peoples' posts about fraudulent sellers.
>>
>> This is one of those cases where I would have to say that, without a
>> doubt, Ken had every right to post his message, and you had no right
>> to tell him off, Bill.
>> Even if you don't care to read posts about suspicious/fraudulent
>> sellers, posts such as Ken's obey all list rules, and perform a
>> service to novices who may be lurking on the list (or scanning list
>> archives on google), hoping to find information on what and what not
>> to buy.
>>
>> If you don't like reading them, delete them, and if you get fed up
>> with a single person's posts, by all means, block them or filter out
>> there posts through selective email scanning (most email services have
>> this sort of feature) - but don't post personal attacks to the list
>> like you just did, because posts such as that are actually in direct
>> violation of list policies.
>>
>> All talk must be meteorite-related and non-combative, at least with
>> regard to pointed statements such as "Are you bored to death?"
>>
>> It's simply uncalled for. If you don't like posts such as this, and
>> feel a need to respond, please do so privately (and, I hope, politely
>> in the future).
>>
>> Bill, the person you mentioned in your message, Matteo, came onto the
>> list while I was here and has come and gone a few times since then.
>> He was blocked a few times for posting private messages to the list
>> and using...inappropriate language.
>> People may have gotten onto his case for posting ebay warnings, but I
>> believe that they actually did so because of his warnings pertaining
>> to the classic 'Nigerian scam' postings that everyone seems to get
>> (They're so easy to recognize in general, that people get annoyed when
>> warned of such things.)
>> ...That, and he's an easy target - people on this list seem to get
>> into a frenzy when someone who's not too eloquent or perhaps not a
>> native English speaker comes on and posts...it's sad, but even true
>> meteorite enthusiasts with good intentions get beaten up on here; it's
>> just a fact that hasn't changed in, well, the nine years I've been on
>> here.
>>
>> Sorry this goes out to the list, but I do think it has something to do
>> with list policy in general - perhaps attacks could become a little
>> less...prolific.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/07, Bill <glixard at inbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Mark,
>>>
>>> This list is for everyone. I don't comment all that often. When I do
>>> it's
>>> for a good reason. Ken knows what I'm getting at. All the points you
>>> made
>>> are accurate. I think the mix of personalities here makes for an
>>> interesting
>>> forum. I hope I didn't offend you but if I did, change things.
>>>
>>> Incapable of grandstanding,
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: mark at annasach.net
>>> Sent: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:37:48 +0100
>>> To: glixard at inbox.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Bill,
>>>
>>> What is it with some of the people on this distribution? According to
>>> the
>>> met-list About, this is...
>>>
>>> "...with over 600 members, the best place to get information on rocks
>>> from
>>> space!"
>>>
>>> I'm old on astronomy, and newish on meteorites. I joined thinking I'd
>>> "get
>>> information on rocks from space". As for Ken's post (I don't know the
>>> man)
>>> - it's useful to get a feel for the kind of scams that are around. I'm
>>> not
>>> stupid, but I can be misled.
>>>
>>> What's the primary purpose of this group, nowadays, in reality? Is it
>>> for
>>> dealers? Mainly dealers, with collector/lurkers hoping to get an inside
>>> tip? Or just a place for the Old Boys to ignore or beat up the new
>>> guys?
>>> As a new member, I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open and
>>> welcoming community. Most hobbies try to encourage beginners -
>>> proponents
>>> want to share their knowledge, wonder and passion about their interests.
>>> This kind of BS can only serve to put people off the whole hobby.
>>>
>>> So I guess I'll be flamed for this - off-list is fine, but I suppose
>>> there's
>>> more grandstanding to be done by posting on-list. :-\
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Bill wrote:
>>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> Are you bored to death? I am. A lot of list members have been
>>> reamed out for posting these ebay warnings. Matteo comes to mind.
>>
>> Please
>>> stop. If we want your opinion we'll join the imca and view it on your
>>> invaluable website/s
>>
>> Bill
>>
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