[meteorite-list] RICHLAND, Final

From: Dave Freeman mjwy <dfreeman_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:20:23 -0600
Message-ID: <4600B287.30606_at_fascination.com>

PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF THE LIST, WE DO NOT CARE AT THIS POINT...THE BATTLE
DOES NOT INVOLVED THE LIST AT THIS POINT.
PLEASE, FOR THE SAKE OF THE NEW LIST MEMBERS THAT ARE ALSO SICK OF THE
BICKER MATCH.
Dave F.

Jason Utas wrote:

> Mike, All (...),
> I apologized to those who deserved it. After what you said, I don;t
> believe you should get one. You seem to think that your account of
> the dates was correct. I don't. Steve Schoner just posted to say
> that your account is false as well.
>
> -- And you did assume that John had withheld information from you out
> of spite. I stupidly believed you when you stated that you had
> actually tried to contact him to resolve the issue as opposed to
> brooding on it for seven years. Sorry Mike, I don;t believe in
> multiple dropped emails. It doesn't happen that often - and even if
> it did, by whatever stroke of luck, actually happen, you still decided
> to simply sit there in steeping malevolence for the better half of a
> decade, instead of simply calling him (google his name, the number's
> there).
> I only stated the supposition that he was angry with you after
> believing what you said about repeated contact, etc. If your
> statement had been true, then yes, the statements that I made before
> would have been justified. I apologized or the incorrectness of
> these, based on the faulty information I was fed by you. When I say
> that I try to contact a person, I don;t simply give up after a few
> emails that aren't responded to, sorry. If that ever happens, I call,
> write, go see them - anything to ensure that they actually get
> whatever message they need to get (assuming that it's something as
> important as this sort of issue, which ends in a clearly malevolent
> misunderstanding on your part - lasting for seven years).
>
> So yes, I'm sorry my statements regarding John's intentions were not
> true. They were less vindictive than yours, which you already state
> you apologized for. I apologized for mine regarding him as well.
>
> However, unless you discount Steve Schoner's take on the story as
> well, I see no way in which you can possibly defend your statements
> from before. The time scale, as I stated before, was indeed measured
> in months instead of years. Not only I, but Steve as well stated
> this.
>
> The only real problem that I see is that you believe unconditionally
> that your account of what happened seven years ago is correct.
> I hate to break it to you Mike, but even *you* can be wrong.
>
> Jason
>
> *And Mike, you can take my name out of the address list in your
> messages - the only reason I'm still getting any mail from you is that
> it's routed through the list.
>
> On 3/20/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Jason,
>> this is sad, your attempt at an apology by saying that
>> everything that I said was a lie is not an apology at
>> all.
>> I have emailed Dr. Wasson privately, apologized for
>> any mmisunderstanding or percieved wrongs by either
>> one of us.
>> That being said, every last thing I said on this list
>> is true as far as my attempting to get the data for
>> the last seven years. You actually need to stop saying
>> that I am a liar on here. This is clearly your intent.
>> This is not a private matter, there were issues
>> involved with this meteorite that affected the
>> hundreds of collectors that paid for it. Some of the
>> things should not have been said, that is true. But
>> the facts needed to be heard.
>> You told me John was angry at me "snatching" the
>> meteorite from under him and yourself, the fact that I
>> never got a response for years seems to play to that
>> fact. What else was I supposed to think, when my
>> emails went unanswered? If Dr. Wasson never saw them,
>> then it is a simple matter of mail lost in cyberspace,
>> not an uncommon thing these days.
>> Again Jason, I have emailed Dr. Wasson, thanked him
>> for providing the data today, and apologized to him
>> for any percieved wrong.
>> Now it is time to let it drop, we have the data, that
>> is all we need now.
>> Just please do not call me a liar again, that is a
>> little difficult for me to ignore.
>> thanks everyone, including Dr. Wasson for cleaning the
>> closet and putting a name to Fredericksburg/Richland.
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>>
>> By the, this is exactly what this list is here for,
>> the sharing of information, even if it takes some
>> chatter to get the information shaken out of the
>> trees.
>>
>>
>> --- Jason Utas <meteoritekid at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello All,
>> > Dr. Wason just emailed both Mike and myself,
>> > clearing this entire issue up.
>> > I don't know exactly why this entire argument was
>> > brought to the
>> > list's attention, as it was clearly a private
>> > matter, and for this I
>> > apologize.
>> >
>> > After the ridiculous accusations that Mike posted
>> > against John (which
>> > were founded in fasle assumptions made on Mike's
>> > part), I also
>> > responded with comments that were technically
>> > untrue. I would like to
>> > clear this up.
>> > Mike stated that John refused to send him the data
>> > because of a
>> > disagreement that they had regarding the purchase of
>> > the iron by Mike.
>> > I assumed that Mike knew what he was talking about,
>> > and wasn't simply
>> > throwing wild accusations around. As it turns out,
>> > Mike was entirely
>> > wrong on this, and, as a result, my argument was
>> > false as well. I
>> > supposed that, based on Mike's supposition that Dr.
>> > Wasson was
>> > actually retaining information for whatever purposes
>> > (supposedly
>> > spite), Farmer should simply apologize and that the
>> > entire issue would
>> > be cleared up.
>> >
>> > As it turns out, Dr. Wasson had simply become
>> > occupied with other work
>> > at the time, and had forgotten to email Mike the
>> > data.
>> > That being said, the question arises as to why Mike
>> > did not simply
>> > re-request the data/ask Dr. Wasson to submit the
>> > iron again.
>> > Regarding this, I can offer no explanation - Mike
>> > will have to help
>> > you out on that end.
>> >
>> > In any case, I apologize for the presumptions which
>> > I helped to
>> > further, that were based on the false data provided
>> > by Michael Farmer.
>> > Based on what I actually knew at the time, coupled
>> > with the
>> > information from Michael Farmer, which I made the
>> > mistake of believing
>> > as true, there was little possibility, in my
>> > opinion, of my reaching
>> > another conclusion at the time.
>> >
>> > John, I apologize for the statements that I made,
>> > and I would like to
>> > apologize again to the list for all of this.
>> >
>> > Jason
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/20/07, Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > I think Sergey's explanation is most likely, that
>> > the
>> > > Richland mass was the transported piece, since it
>> > only
>> > > weighed 12 kilograms.
>> > > I don't recall seeing any signs of human damage
>> > (other
>> > > than many plow cuts) but this was a very hard
>> > iron. I
>> > > like good mystery, and this is an interesting
>> > one.
>> > > Unfortunately we do not know the exact location of
>> > the
>> > > find, so there is not much more that could be done
>> > to
>> > > search the farm for more pieces.
>> > > Michael Farmer
>> > > --- dean bessey <deanbessey at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > > Jeff,
>> > > > > Now comes the question of how a large piece of
>> > a
>> > > > > meteorite came to rest 178 miles (297 km) from
>> > the
>> > > > > first piece.
>> > > > > Does anyone have an explanation as to how or
>> > why
>> > > > it
>> > > > > could/would be transported so far back then,
>> > and
>> > > > > buried in a farmers field?
>> > > > >
>> > > > I suspect that the natives could have done it.
>> > The
>> > > > question is why (And not bother to take care of
>> > at
>> > > > it
>> > > > afterwards).
>> > > > It might have been to eroded to tell (And there
>> > may
>> > > > no
>> > > > longer be photos or memories of the uncut mass)
>> > but
>> > > > I
>> > > > wonder if there was evidence on the original
>> > mass
>> > > > that
>> > > > some pieces were crudely chipped of.
>> > > > If there was pieces chipped of, a plausable
>> > > > explanation of why the indians took so much
>> > trouble
>> > > > to
>> > > > move it is that they were making iron tools with
>> > it
>> > > > (A
>> > > > semi common occurance in the pre iron world).
>> > > > Then after some years of this chipping, neglect,
>> > war
>> > > > or other reasons may have caused it to be
>> > abandoned
>> > > > and slowly be buried by natural means.
>> > > > Of course that is onely one possible explanation
>> > and
>> > > > there is no real evidence for it but would be a
>> > > > reason
>> > > > why it was moved. It could well be another fall.
>> > > > Just an idea
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > > DEAN
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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Received on Wed 21 Mar 2007 12:20:23 AM PDT