[meteorite-list] Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector rant.

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:12:36 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <710225.60644.qm_at_web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Randall, here are your exact words as anyone can find
in the archives " I guarantee you will have non-stop
nightmares all night every night. I know the system
and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay.
There are ways to block your attempts to contact the
American embassy." Hmmmmmm, that sounds like the email
of a delusional babbling idiot to me.

I do not have to defend myself to you. I bought and
paid for all of the Ourique that I did not find
myself. I am no idiot, you however, are, with your
bomb crater, and your delusions of grandure. I have
more than 1000 meteorites found myself, hundreds of
trips, more real meteorites in my collection than you
can ever imagine. You know what is great about me?
What you see is what you get. I have nothing to hide,
and I am not about to let people like you hit me
without hitting back. I do it, I do the hunting, I
take the risks, I produce for both the scientific and
collecting community. I am not trying to befriend
everyone on this list, I do not need your approval.
Unfortunately in the real world, when you stand out,
you tend to catch the most flak. You, Armando, Matteo,
you all TALK! TALK is all you have. Show some
meteorites, show something or shut the hell up. I am
growing weary of the constant attacks from those who
produce nothing.
Michael Farmer
Meteorite hunter, finder, dealer, collection builder
etc.


--- Randall Gregory <randall_gregory at yahoo.com> wrote:

> His assessment of you is correct. You went to this
> area and probably lied to the owner of the property
> telling him that the stones only had scientific
> value. If the land owner really knew the value of
> the stones, he wouldn't have so freely offered them.
> Then you went to the local village and probably told
> your same lie and buying them for pennies per gram.
> The vast majority of people have no conception of
> the meteorite market or the value. You take full
> advantage of their gulliabiity and ignorance. You're
> not a thief outright, but in your soul you are.
> Don't deny it and don't try to cover your
> personality with these lame excuses. And get this
> straight idiot, I never threatened bodily harm or
> torture as you so put it. If I recall, it was you
> that threatened "lethal force". You are what you are
> and most people can see the facade...
>
> Randall
>
> BTW, I received a cell phone message that some
> people arrived in Aplao to hunt at the crater. I
> just hope theiy're not Americans...
>
> Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Why do you say that my Ourique meteorites were
> stolen?
> How do you think that I found the fall site? It was
> far out in the forest in private property. The land
> owner took me to the place. He told me I could have
> anything I found. He was really not interested in
> the
> meteorite. The majority of the meteorite I bought
> from
> locals, who had all collected the meteorite and
> busted
> it up to share amongst the village.
> Armando, you are calling me a thief, and you are out
> of line, and delusional. I fairly bought, and
> collected that meteorite. Portugal has NO LAW
> regarding removal of any meteorite. Perhaps you
> should
> lobby for such a law. What kind of sad life do you
> lead, that you spend your days worrying about me?
> Please, do myself and this list a favor, leave me
> be,
> and stop crying about me and my business half a
> world
> away. If you do that, you will find that I will not
> have to respond to you. Sound fair?
> No meteorites in the USA have ever been confiscated
> by
> the government, unless they were found on federal
> land, the US government can't do a thing about them,
> that is the beauty of this country. Get you facts in
> order, or do not talk about things you know nothing
> about.
> Michael Farmer
>
> --- Armando Afonso wrote:
>
> > That is only because I find you funny, Michael...
> > You take yourself seriously!
> > My meteorite was ofered by the land owner, who
> > donated the main mass to the
> > national museum.
> > Yours were stollen... That is the diference.
> > There are private properties in Portugal, did you
> > know that?
> > But that was not the point now.
> > The question is your arrogance and constant
> > agression to others members of
> > the list, amusing only to a certain point.
> > The funny part is that at the same time, you play
> > the paper of victime, when
> > people say something against your filosophy.
> > Nothing personal against you, Michael. I don?t
> know
> > you.
> > I believe that most of the historical meteorites
> of
> > USA were confiscated by
> > the government, not payed for, by the way.
> > Everybody knows that the meteorites are
> "extracted"
> > with imaginative schemes
> > from the respective countries.
> > :)
> > AA
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Farmer"
> > To: "Armando Afonso" ;
> > "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> >
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: Armando's yearly
> anti-dealer/collector
> > rant.
> >
> >
> > >I am of no interest to you, yet your only
> > > contributions to this forum are to harrass me?
> You
> > did
> > > not answer my questions, since you say that I m
> > driven
> > > by profit and greed, then, did you, or did you
> not
> > > donate your Ourique specimen to a collection or
> > > university? I thought not..................
> > > Talk about the pot calling the kettle
> > black.........
> > > I do not insult everyone, you do, by calling the
> > > people on this list thieves and crimianals.
> > > Take a look in the mirror Armando. Did you ever
> > answer
> > > Martin, are not basically everyone on this
> planet
> > > working to earn money? so I should hunt
> > meteorites,
> > > and give them away, not make a profit? Are you
> > ready
> > > to fund my trips around the world? I need at
> least
> > > $100,000 per year in travel expenses. I must
> sell
> > > meteorites to pay those expenses. Can you tell
> me
> > > another way Armando? My hand is out to you, put
> > the
> > > money in it and I won't need to sell another
> > > meteorite. I thought not as well............
> > > Did I email you, post something on the list
> about
> > you,
> > > in any way interact with you before you wrote
> > > insulting emails to me two weeks ago? NO! I
> > responded
> > > to a man who threatened anyone on this list with
> > > bodily harm if they came to "his" crater in
> Peru.
> > > Now do us all a favor, fade away for another
> year
> > or
> > > so, then we will start this whole conversation
> > again.
> > > Michael Farmer.
> > > --- Armando Afonso
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Mike...
> > >> I am not jealous of you, OK?
> > >> The story of Ourique is of no importance to me,
> > as
> > >> you are not, too.
> > >> Don`t be so convinced.
> > >> I used that episode, long ago (nothing to do
> with
> > >> the present dscussion),
> > >> only to ilustrate what I think generaly about
> the
> > >> meteorite comercial
> > >> hunting as you advocate.
> > >> After all you are a pupil of Bob Haag, and the
> > >> metods are the same.
> > >> Automatically, we have a diferent philosophy.
> > Only
> > >> that.
> > >> My interest in meteorites is completely
> lateral,
> > as
> > >> I am mostly a mineral
> > >> collector.
> > >> So don`t be afraid, I will not make you a
> shadow,
> > >> and I am not crying on
> > >> split anything..
> > >> Anyway, due to my interest in mineralogy, from
> > time
> > >> to time I see what is
> > >> happening in the list.
> > >> And there it is:
> > >> Again and again, everyday, your agressivity and
> > >> arrogance is at the central
> > >> focus of a big part of the messages.
> > >> You insult everyone. It seems that you like
> that.
> > >> That is a pattern, Michael.
> > >> I am sure that you can behave in an other way.
> > >> Make an effort.
> > >> Warm regards...
> > >> AA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Michael Farmer"
> > >> To: "Armando Afonso" ;
> > >> "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> > >>
>
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Received on Fri 16 Mar 2007 06:12:36 PM PDT