[meteorite-list] Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector rant.

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <997698.49326.qm_at_web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Armando, please explain to us, how you intended to
speak out about my discussions with Matteo? I had not
spoken of or emailed Matteo for months. He responded
to my posts this morning. So actually, you posted your
tirade against me as usual, unprovoked by me. The
archinves are there for all to see the timeline.
There is a forest, at least to me, being from the
desert, anything more than 1 tree is a forest!
Please do not pretend that you know a thing about what
I paid for the material. 90% of it was more than $1.00
per gram, most more than $2.00 per gram. I sold most
for $8-$10.00 per gram. I do not know about schools in
Portugal, but I do not see where that equals 2000 %
profit! Can you elaborate?
The fact that my sales inflated the prices, well
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. JEEEEEEZ, I went there FOUR MONTHS
AFTER the FALL! you had FOUR MONTHS to buy, sell,
find, or whatever. I am sorry that I didnt give you
some years to buy it all up and then sell it cheaper.
But hey, again, crying in the spilt milk.
Leave me alone, and you will not see me emailing you
or about you. Simple request.
Michael Farmer

--- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt> wrote:

> Dear Mike
> I am so tired of this, but let me add one or two
> things, yet:
> 1-At the site of the fall, there is no forest.
> 2-The crater was in the middle of a private
> agricultural treck, at a few
> hundreds of .meters from the village.
> 3-The land owner never met you.
> 4-The person who found the meteorite and spread the
> news was an enployee of
> the farm who at at the time lived in an instalation
> of the farm, 100 meters
> away of the fall site. Maybe you met this one...
> 5-If the material was removed by the populars from
> private land, we can say
> that it was stollen, no?.That turns you a receptor
> of stollen material,
> then.
> 6-I have nothing against you selling it with 2000%
> of profit. You had a lot
> of expenses. The only trouble is that it inflated
> the price of the remaining
> pieces.
> 7-About my live, I have no complain, thanks.
> 8-I don`t worry about you, you simply are too
> evident on this otherwise
> interesting list. After all, I forgot you for an
> entire year...
> 9-I don`t understand why you keep speaking about
> Ourique, as I was not even
> thinking about it.
> 10-I intended to protest against your chronic
> agressivness, namely towards
> an italian member of the list.
> 11-Generaly, I spoke about meteorite hunters too,
> and their lack of
> scientific preparation, and their tendency to
> pulverise everyting to little
> pieces of 1g to maximize the profit. I maintain all
> I said.
> I say again that I have nothing personal against
> you, much less jealousy.
> Give me a break.
> It simply happens that you fit the standard. Don`t
> be so negative...
> AA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>;
> "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector
> rant.
>
>
> > Why do you say that my Ourique meteorites were
> stolen?
> > How do you think that I found the fall site? It
> was
> > far out in the forest in private property. The
> land
> > owner took me to the place. He told me I could
> have
> > anything I found. He was really not interested in
> the
> > meteorite. The majority of the meteorite I bought
> from
> > locals, who had all collected the meteorite and
> busted
> > it up to share amongst the village.
> > Armando, you are calling me a thief, and you are
> out
> > of line, and delusional. I fairly bought, and
> > collected that meteorite. Portugal has NO LAW
> > regarding removal of any meteorite. Perhaps you
> should
> > lobby for such a law. What kind of sad life do you
> > lead, that you spend your days worrying about me?
> > Please, do myself and this list a favor, leave me
> be,
> > and stop crying about me and my business half a
> world
> > away. If you do that, you will find that I will
> not
> > have to respond to you. Sound fair?
> > No meteorites in the USA have ever been
> confiscated by
> > the government, unless they were found on federal
> > land, the US government can't do a thing about
> them,
> > that is the beauty of this country. Get you facts
> in
> > order, or do not talk about things you know
> nothing
> > about.
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > --- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> wrote:
> >
> >> That is only because I find you funny, Michael...
> >> You take yourself seriously!
> >> My meteorite was ofered by the land owner, who
> >> donated the main mass to the
> >> national museum.
> >> Yours were stollen... That is the diference.
> >> There are private properties in Portugal, did you
> >> know that?
> >> But that was not the point now.
> >> The question is your arrogance and constant
> >> agression to others members of
> >> the list, amusing only to a certain point.
> >> The funny part is that at the same time, you play
> >> the paper of victime, when
> >> people say something against your filosophy.
> >> Nothing personal against you, Michael. I don?t
> know
> >> you.
> >> I believe that most of the historical meteorites
> of
> >> USA were confiscated by
> >> the government, not payed for, by the way.
> >> Everybody knows that the meteorites are
> "extracted"
> >> with imaginative schemes
> >> from the respective countries.
> >> :)
> >> AA
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>;
> >> "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:26 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Armando's yearly
> anti-dealer/collector
> >> rant.
> >>
> >>
> >> >I am of no interest to you, yet your only
> >> > contributions to this forum are to harrass me?
> You
> >> did
> >> > not answer my questions, since you say that I m
> >> driven
> >> > by profit and greed, then, did you, or did you
> not
> >> > donate your Ourique specimen to a collection or
> >> > university? I thought not..................
> >> > Talk about the pot calling the kettle
> >> black.........
> >> > I do not insult everyone, you do, by calling
> the
> >> > people on this list thieves and crimianals.
> >> > Take a look in the mirror Armando. Did you ever
> >> answer
> >> > Martin, are not basically everyone on this
> planet
> >> > working to earn money? so I should hunt
> >> meteorites,
> >> > and give them away, not make a profit? Are you
> >> ready
> >> > to fund my trips around the world? I need at
> least
> >> > $100,000 per year in travel expenses. I must
> sell
> >> > meteorites to pay those expenses. Can you tell
> me
> >> > another way Armando? My hand is out to you, put
> >> the
> >> > money in it and I won't need to sell another
> >> > meteorite. I thought not as well............
> >> > Did I email you, post something on the list
> about
> >> you,
> >> > in any way interact with you before you wrote
> >> > insulting emails to me two weeks ago? NO! I
> >> responded
> >> > to a man who threatened anyone on this list
> with
> >> > bodily harm if they came to "his" crater in
> Peru.
> >> > Now do us all a favor, fade away for another
> year
> >> or
> >> > so, then we will start this whole conversation
> >> again.
> >> > Michael Farmer.
> >> > --- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Dear Mike...
> >> >> I am not jealous of you, OK?
> >> >> The story of Ourique is of no importance to
> me,
> >> as
> >> >> you are not, too.
>
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Received on Fri 16 Mar 2007 06:00:28 PM PDT