[meteorite-list] Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector rant.

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:53:29 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <20070316185329.8551.qmail_at_web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why do you say that my Ourique meteorites were stolen?
How do you think that I found the fall site? It was
far out in the forest in private property. The land
owner took me to the place. He told me I could have
anything I found. He was really not interested in the
meteorite. The majority of the meteorite I bought from
locals, who had all collected the meteorite and busted
it up to share amongst the village.
Armando, you are calling me a thief, and you are out
of line, and delusional. I fairly bought, and
collected that meteorite. Portugal has NO LAW
regarding removal of any meteorite. Perhaps you should
lobby for such a law. What kind of sad life do you
lead, that you spend your days worrying about me?
Please, do myself and this list a favor, leave me be,
and stop crying about me and my business half a world
away. If you do that, you will find that I will not
have to respond to you. Sound fair?
No meteorites in the USA have ever been confiscated by
the government, unless they were found on federal
land, the US government can't do a thing about them,
that is the beauty of this country. Get you facts in
order, or do not talk about things you know nothing
about.
Michael Farmer

--- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt> wrote:

> That is only because I find you funny, Michael...
> You take yourself seriously!
> My meteorite was ofered by the land owner, who
> donated the main mass to the
> national museum.
> Yours were stollen... That is the diference.
> There are private properties in Portugal, did you
> know that?
> But that was not the point now.
> The question is your arrogance and constant
> agression to others members of
> the list, amusing only to a certain point.
> The funny part is that at the same time, you play
> the paper of victime, when
> people say something against your filosophy.
> Nothing personal against you, Michael. I don?t know
> you.
> I believe that most of the historical meteorites of
> USA were confiscated by
> the government, not payed for, by the way.
> Everybody knows that the meteorites are "extracted"
> with imaginative schemes
> from the respective countries.
> :)
> AA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>;
> "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:26 PM
> Subject: Re: Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector
> rant.
>
>
> >I am of no interest to you, yet your only
> > contributions to this forum are to harrass me? You
> did
> > not answer my questions, since you say that I m
> driven
> > by profit and greed, then, did you, or did you not
> > donate your Ourique specimen to a collection or
> > university? I thought not..................
> > Talk about the pot calling the kettle
> black.........
> > I do not insult everyone, you do, by calling the
> > people on this list thieves and crimianals.
> > Take a look in the mirror Armando. Did you ever
> answer
> > Martin, are not basically everyone on this planet
> > working to earn money? so I should hunt
> meteorites,
> > and give them away, not make a profit? Are you
> ready
> > to fund my trips around the world? I need at least
> > $100,000 per year in travel expenses. I must sell
> > meteorites to pay those expenses. Can you tell me
> > another way Armando? My hand is out to you, put
> the
> > money in it and I won't need to sell another
> > meteorite. I thought not as well............
> > Did I email you, post something on the list about
> you,
> > in any way interact with you before you wrote
> > insulting emails to me two weeks ago? NO! I
> responded
> > to a man who threatened anyone on this list with
> > bodily harm if they came to "his" crater in Peru.
> > Now do us all a favor, fade away for another year
> or
> > so, then we will start this whole conversation
> again.
> > Michael Farmer.
> > --- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mike...
> >> I am not jealous of you, OK?
> >> The story of Ourique is of no importance to me,
> as
> >> you are not, too.
> >> Don`t be so convinced.
> >> I used that episode, long ago (nothing to do with
> >> the present dscussion),
> >> only to ilustrate what I think generaly about the
> >> meteorite comercial
> >> hunting as you advocate.
> >> After all you are a pupil of Bob Haag, and the
> >> metods are the same.
> >> Automatically, we have a diferent philosophy.
> Only
> >> that.
> >> My interest in meteorites is completely lateral,
> as
> >> I am mostly a mineral
> >> collector.
> >> So don`t be afraid, I will not make you a shadow,
> >> and I am not crying on
> >> split anything..
> >> Anyway, due to my interest in mineralogy, from
> time
> >> to time I see what is
> >> happening in the list.
> >> And there it is:
> >> Again and again, everyday, your agressivity and
> >> arrogance is at the central
> >> focus of a big part of the messages.
> >> You insult everyone. It seems that you like that.
> >> That is a pattern, Michael.
> >> I am sure that you can behave in an other way.
> >> Make an effort.
> >> Warm regards...
> >> AA
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> >> To: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>;
> >> "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> >> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:13 PM
> >> Subject: Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector
> >> rant.
> >>
> >>
> >> > Armando, Ingo,
> >> > I have done more for meteoritics than you can
> >> imagine
> >> > or ever will do yourself. Contact the
> University
> >> of
> >> > Arizona, UCLA, etc, where you can likely get a
> >> list of
> >> > the hundreds of meteorites I have donated
> directly
> >> to
> >> > the university and mineral museums, more than
> >> $75,000
> >> > worth at my last count. You seem to be a very
> >> unhappy
> >> > man, angry that other people get meteorites and
> >> you
> >> > dont. What is the problem? Morocco is very
> close
> >> to
> >> > Portugal. Why are you not going there? Why do
> you
> >> cry
> >> > over and over, year after year, like a broken
> >> record
> >> > about the same issue? What is your problem?
> What
> >> part
> >> > of NO LAW is confusing to you? You said in your
> >> email
> >> > that "thieves take advantage of countries
> without
> >> > specific laws regarding meteorites" well, then
> >> they/we
> >> > are NOT THIEVES. If there is no law, then we
> are
> >> free
> >> > to do as we please, buy, sell, and hunt
> meteorites
> >> in
> >> > those countries. In the USA there are no laws
> >> against
> >> > buying/selling/hunting meteorites, other than
> >> taking
> >> > them from government/park/private land without
> >> > permission. Thus, Armando, you can come here,
> buy
> >> or
> >> > hunt meteorites, and take them! Does this anger
> >> and
> >> > confuse you? It means if you come here, buy a
> >> > meteorite from a landowner, and take it back to
> >> > Portgal, then you are not a THIEF, you are a
> >> person
> >> > operating within the law of this nation. Just
> >> because
> >> > you don't like the fact that in most countries,
> >> rocks
> >> > are not protected items, does't mean diddly
> squat!
> >> > Please deal with your issues with me, I have
> never
> >> met
> >> > you, never will. I have never bought a
> meteorite
> >> from
> >> > you, or sold you a meteorite. It seems to me
> that
> >> your
> >> > are so jealous of my success that it drives you
> >> > insane. If you have other motives for attacking
> >> me,
> >> > unprovoked, year after year, then clear them up
> >> here
>
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