[meteorite-list] Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector rant.

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:26:57 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <190336.64723.qm_at_web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am of no interest to you, yet your only
contributions to this forum are to harrass me? You did
not answer my questions, since you say that I m driven
by profit and greed, then, did you, or did you not
donate your Ourique specimen to a collection or
university? I thought not..................
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.........
I do not insult everyone, you do, by calling the
people on this list thieves and crimianals.
Take a look in the mirror Armando. Did you ever answer
Martin, are not basically everyone on this planet
working to earn money? so I should hunt meteorites,
and give them away, not make a profit? Are you ready
to fund my trips around the world? I need at least
$100,000 per year in travel expenses. I must sell
meteorites to pay those expenses. Can you tell me
another way Armando? My hand is out to you, put the
money in it and I won't need to sell another
meteorite. I thought not as well............
Did I email you, post something on the list about you,
in any way interact with you before you wrote
insulting emails to me two weeks ago? NO! I responded
to a man who threatened anyone on this list with
bodily harm if they came to "his" crater in Peru.
Now do us all a favor, fade away for another year or
so, then we will start this whole conversation again.
Michael Farmer.
--- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt> wrote:

> Dear Mike...
> I am not jealous of you, OK?
> The story of Ourique is of no importance to me, as
> you are not, too.
> Don`t be so convinced.
> I used that episode, long ago (nothing to do with
> the present dscussion),
> only to ilustrate what I think generaly about the
> meteorite comercial
> hunting as you advocate.
> After all you are a pupil of Bob Haag, and the
> metods are the same.
> Automatically, we have a diferent philosophy. Only
> that.
> My interest in meteorites is completely lateral, as
> I am mostly a mineral
> collector.
> So don`t be afraid, I will not make you a shadow,
> and I am not crying on
> split anything..
> Anyway, due to my interest in mineralogy, from time
> to time I see what is
> happening in the list.
> And there it is:
> Again and again, everyday, your agressivity and
> arrogance is at the central
> focus of a big part of the messages.
> You insult everyone. It seems that you like that.
> That is a pattern, Michael.
> I am sure that you can behave in an other way.
> Make an effort.
> Warm regards...
> AA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
> To: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>;
> "'Meteorite Mailing List'"
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 2:13 PM
> Subject: Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector
> rant.
>
>
> > Armando, Ingo,
> > I have done more for meteoritics than you can
> imagine
> > or ever will do yourself. Contact the University
> of
> > Arizona, UCLA, etc, where you can likely get a
> list of
> > the hundreds of meteorites I have donated directly
> to
> > the university and mineral museums, more than
> $75,000
> > worth at my last count. You seem to be a very
> unhappy
> > man, angry that other people get meteorites and
> you
> > dont. What is the problem? Morocco is very close
> to
> > Portugal. Why are you not going there? Why do you
> cry
> > over and over, year after year, like a broken
> record
> > about the same issue? What is your problem? What
> part
> > of NO LAW is confusing to you? You said in your
> email
> > that "thieves take advantage of countries without
> > specific laws regarding meteorites" well, then
> they/we
> > are NOT THIEVES. If there is no law, then we are
> free
> > to do as we please, buy, sell, and hunt meteorites
> in
> > those countries. In the USA there are no laws
> against
> > buying/selling/hunting meteorites, other than
> taking
> > them from government/park/private land without
> > permission. Thus, Armando, you can come here, buy
> or
> > hunt meteorites, and take them! Does this anger
> and
> > confuse you? It means if you come here, buy a
> > meteorite from a landowner, and take it back to
> > Portgal, then you are not a THIEF, you are a
> person
> > operating within the law of this nation. Just
> because
> > you don't like the fact that in most countries,
> rocks
> > are not protected items, does't mean diddly squat!
> > Please deal with your issues with me, I have never
> met
> > you, never will. I have never bought a meteorite
> from
> > you, or sold you a meteorite. It seems to me that
> your
> > are so jealous of my success that it drives you
> > insane. If you have other motives for attacking
> me,
> > unprovoked, year after year, then clear them up
> here
> > and now please!
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > --- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> >> To: "Ingo Herkstroeter" <metopaster at gmx.de>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:50 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members &
> >> Mike re ThreatsfromMr
> >> Gregory
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Ingo,
> >> > You are right, the message was perhaps too
> strong.
> >> > I probably would take one or two words from it,
> >> now.
> >> > Patience.
> >> > But I still remember the insults that I
> received
> >> when the discussion was
> >> > with me.
> >> > Many of this so-called "meteorite hunters" are
> not
> >> far from criminals (at
> >> > least from a moral perspective), simply taking
> >> advantage of the absence of
> >> > specific legislation in most of the countries,
> and
> >> people`s naivety.
> >> > Call
> >> > it enterpreneurs attitude, if you prefer.
> >> > Some of them were selling hamburguers, or
> >> plumbing, before entering into
> >> > their new "scientific" activity...
> >> > I am sorry if I do not simpatize with them.
> >> > I must add that obviously SOME of them too are
> >> great people, with an
> >> > honest
> >> > interest and real knowledge on the subject.
> >> > Those would have much more to say in list than
> the
> >> usual "stars".
> >> > Regards.
> >> > AA
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Ingo Herkstroeter" <metopaster at gmx.de>
> >> > To: "'Armando Afonso'"
> <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:46 PM
> >> > Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] all List members
> &
> >> Mike re ThreatsfromMr
> >> > Gregory
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Armando!
> >> >
> >> > I think like you in a way! Many dealers, who
> are
> >> part of this list, do
> >> > look at meteorites only in a profit oriented
> way.
> >> They are not really
> >> > interested in the material and its scientific
> >> importance. The list is
> >> > only a big publicity place for them, nothing
> more.
> >> > The cut the material into crumbs and tell they
> >> would serve the science
> >> > and so on..... They see the list as a place for
> >> personal fights and not
> >> > as a place to let knowledge growth!
> >> >
> >> > I'm pissed of this behaviour and I know a lot
> of
> >> list members (like you
> >> > and many more) too!
> >> >
> >> > Armando, please don't go down to their level
> and
> >> attack someone
> >> > personally, like you have done in the mail
> below.
> >> This should not be our
> >> > way!
> >> >
> >> > Try to make your protest in a smarter way....
> >> >
> >> > Best Wishes!
>
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Received on Fri 16 Mar 2007 12:26:57 PM PDT