[meteorite-list] Armando's yearly anti-dealer/collector rant.

From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 09:12:40 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <981901.77899.qm_at_web33109.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Park Forests without pemit? Please elaborate Matteo.
This is the USA, Park Forest belongs to the landowners
where it fell. I bought many pieces from the owners,
no permit is needed in the United States. Perhaps if
you ever left Italy, you would know that. No permist
is needed to remove meteorites from Morocco, again,
this dead horse has been beaten more than enough.
Kendrapara, didnt I see you selling the same
meteorite? Where is your permit?
Matteo, I did not bring you into this discussion. I
was harrassed by Armando while I was out of the
country, with no access to email.
People in this country call people like you Matteo,
Matteo. There were even T-shirts made about you and
sold/given away in Tucson. That was for a reason
Matteo, perhaps you should take the hint.
Michael Farmer

--- M come Meteorite Meteorites
<mcomemeteorite2004 at yahoo.it> wrote:

> Please Farmer show to all your permit to export
> meteorites from Morocco seen from 1 year now its
> forbidden, or why you not give back your park
> forest's
> and many other material take without permit, type
> Kendrapara material? Your wretched publicity give to
> university tons of meteorites its only for show your
> hypocrite face...many others here gift meteorites to
> museums etc.. and not say to the all world only to
> do
> to see. Here in Italy similar persons we call "
> Sboroni ", people only capable to do to see how many
> capable are they.
> Similar people, to me, they do alone trouble
>
> Matteo
>
>
> --- Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com> ha
> scritto:
>
> > Armando, Ingo,
> > I have done more for meteoritics than you can
> > imagine
> > or ever will do yourself. Contact the University
> of
> > Arizona, UCLA, etc, where you can likely get a
> list
> > of
> > the hundreds of meteorites I have donated directly
> > to
> > the university and mineral museums, more than
> > $75,000
> > worth at my last count. You seem to be a very
> > unhappy
> > man, angry that other people get meteorites and
> you
> > dont. What is the problem? Morocco is very close
> to
> > Portugal. Why are you not going there? Why do you
> > cry
> > over and over, year after year, like a broken
> record
> > about the same issue? What is your problem? What
> > part
> > of NO LAW is confusing to you? You said in your
> > email
> > that "thieves take advantage of countries without
> > specific laws regarding meteorites" well, then
> > they/we
> > are NOT THIEVES. If there is no law, then we are
> > free
> > to do as we please, buy, sell, and hunt meteorites
> > in
> > those countries. In the USA there are no laws
> > against
> > buying/selling/hunting meteorites, other than
> taking
> > them from government/park/private land without
> > permission. Thus, Armando, you can come here, buy
> or
> > hunt meteorites, and take them! Does this anger
> and
> > confuse you? It means if you come here, buy a
> > meteorite from a landowner, and take it back to
> > Portgal, then you are not a THIEF, you are a
> person
> > operating within the law of this nation. Just
> > because
> > you don't like the fact that in most countries,
> > rocks
> > are not protected items, does't mean diddly squat!
> > Please deal with your issues with me, I have never
> > met
> > you, never will. I have never bought a meteorite
> > from
> > you, or sold you a meteorite. It seems to me that
> > your
> > are so jealous of my success that it drives you
> > insane. If you have other motives for attacking
> me,
> > unprovoked, year after year, then clear them up
> here
> > and now please!
> > Michael Farmer
> >
> > --- Armando Afonso <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Armando Afonso" <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> > > To: "Ingo Herkstroeter" <metopaster at gmx.de>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members &
> > > Mike re ThreatsfromMr
> > > Gregory
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Ingo,
> > > > You are right, the message was perhaps too
> > strong.
> > > > I probably would take one or two words from
> it,
> > > now.
> > > > Patience.
> > > > But I still remember the insults that I
> received
> > > when the discussion was
> > > > with me.
> > > > Many of this so-called "meteorite hunters" are
> > not
> > > far from criminals (at
> > > > least from a moral perspective), simply taking
> > > advantage of the absence of
> > > > specific legislation in most of the countries,
> > and
> > > people`s naivety.
> > > > Call
> > > > it enterpreneurs attitude, if you prefer.
> > > > Some of them were selling hamburguers, or
> > > plumbing, before entering into
> > > > their new "scientific" activity...
> > > > I am sorry if I do not simpatize with them.
> > > > I must add that obviously SOME of them too are
> > > great people, with an
> > > > honest
> > > > interest and real knowledge on the subject.
> > > > Those would have much more to say in list than
> > the
> > > usual "stars".
> > > > Regards.
> > > > AA
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Ingo Herkstroeter" <metopaster at gmx.de>
> > > > To: "'Armando Afonso'"
> <armandoafonso at oniduo.pt>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:46 PM
> > > > Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] all List members
> &
> > > Mike re ThreatsfromMr
> > > > Gregory
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Armando!
> > > >
> > > > I think like you in a way! Many dealers, who
> are
> > > part of this list, do
> > > > look at meteorites only in a profit oriented
> > way.
> > > They are not really
> > > > interested in the material and its scientific
> > > importance. The list is
> > > > only a big publicity place for them, nothing
> > more.
> > > > The cut the material into crumbs and tell they
> > > would serve the science
> > > > and so on..... They see the list as a place
> for
> > > personal fights and not
> > > > as a place to let knowledge growth!
> > > >
> > > > I'm pissed of this behaviour and I know a lot
> of
> > > list members (like you
> > > > and many more) too!
> > > >
> > > > Armando, please don't go down to their level
> and
> > > attack someone
> > > > personally, like you have done in the mail
> > below.
> > > This should not be our
> > > > way!
> > > >
> > > > Try to make your protest in a smarter way....
> > > >
> > > > Best Wishes!
> > > >
> > > > Ingo
> > > >
> > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von:
> meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > > >
> > >
> >
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]
> > > Im Auftrag von
> > > > Armando Afonso
> > > > Gesendet: Samstag, 10. M?rz 2007 23:12
> > > > An: Michael L Blood; Michael Farmer; Meteorite
> > > List
> > > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members
> &
> > > Mike re ThreatsfromMr
> > > > Gregory
> > > >
> > > > Dear friends,
>
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Received on Fri 16 Mar 2007 12:12:40 PM PDT