[meteorite-list] IRONS, Orient and literature

From: Ingo Herkstroeter <metopaster_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:27:23 +0100
Message-ID: <000401c846e0$bdb67890$0873a8c0_at_Geobase>

Hi E.P., List!

Maybe useful, this should be the reference E.P. talks about (correct
spelling):

REITER, K.: Die Metalle im Alten Orient unter besonderer
Ber?cksichtigung altbabylonischer Quellen (M?nster 1997) (In: Orientalia
Nova Series 69 [Rom: Pontificium Institutum Biblicum] 2000, 110-115)

Merry Christmas and a happy and peaceful new year!

Ingo

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von E.P.
Grondine
Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. Dezember 2007 06:46
An: Sterling K. Webb; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ARCTIC IRONS, was Mammoth Stew, etc

Hi all -

Thank you Sterling for this most valuable information.
I did not cover the Arctic in "Man and Impact in the
Americas", as I already had too much.

I do want to mention to the list that the locals have
been attempting to have The Old Woman and another
large iron returned to them. I was asked to support
them in this effort, but declined.

The reason for my decision was that they had used it
for making tools, a very different situation from
Williamette, where the use was religious. I was told
that Perry had told the locals that it was okay for
him to remove the large irons, as they could now get
their tools from European traders. To the conquerors
go the spoils....

One may wonder about an iron debris stream, with
multiple impacts, but...

Hittite iron and ancient meteoritic iron was covered
by Karen Reiter, Die Metalle in Alte Oriente(?
spelling etc.). I've forgotten most of the specifics
now, but... The Hittite King Te Hantilishi and his
appenage forces were hit ca. 1585 BCE while resisting
the ancient Israelites, and the ancient Israelites had
a good supply of iron for trade thereafter, not to be
replaced by smelted stuff until about 1100 BCE, if I
remember right, and I probably don't, but its in her
book. (Coincidentally, ancient metals was a specialty
of my acquaintance the late Ted Wertime.) The Lycian
accounts spoke of a shower of small irons like bees
(no citation for this remaining in my brain, even
though I corresponded with the translator. sorry).

Earlier use of iron meteorites for tools easily
explains the lack of irons from NWA, which I had
attributed to market forces.

Given the arctic harvesting for tool use, clearly one
place to look is Alaskan archaeological and west coast
archaeological studies - but then with the constant
back and forth and the later fur trade, any find may
have been dismissed as an import.

The glacial situation ca 31,000 BCE might be a good
thing to look at as well. The mammoth who had their
tusks peppered had to be eating something, so they
would have been on the edge of the ice sheet.

Assuming the Barringer spherule spread is
representative, scale the impact by the C14
calibration chart, and that may give a rough idea of
the range to be looked at. There's that 1 find from
Siberia as well, which might indicate direction.

good hunting all,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
Received on Tue 25 Dec 2007 05:27:23 AM PST