[meteorite-list] Win A Meteorite or $50

From: Eric Wichman <eric_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 11:26:09 -0700
Message-ID: <20070828182610.DMRE9971.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net_at_fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>

Hello all,

My name is Eric Wichman and I just recently
started and run the new meteorite site
MeteoriteWatch.com, and have been subscribed to
the Meteorite-list now for a few weeks and have
been reading it everyday. This is my first email
to the list and I want to say it's great
information. You guys know your stuff. One thing
though, I have noticed a few people getting a
little off-topic and throwing out personal
insults and such. This is not conducive to a good
educational environment and lowers list
subscribers interest in the list. Can we not do
that please? We all want to learn more about
meteorites and share our information with others
to help promote meteorite education and interest.

It is on the topic of meteorite education and
information that I make the introduction of
MeteoriteWatch.com (MW) to all list subscribers.

I thought what better way to introduce my new
site and generate discussion than to have a "Win
a Meteorite" article contest for the forums on
MW, based on members own personal "Meteorite
Hunting Adventures". I will give $50 or a
meteorite worth $50 or less from the
MeteoriteMarket.com website for the BEST
meteorite hunting adventure article posted to the
MW site forums here:
http://www.meteoritewatch.com/meteorite_forum/viewtopic.php?t=15

All articles posted to the forum will include a
POLL so that forum members can vote on the
articles beings submitted. At the end of the
contest (date to be announced) the best article
will be chosen based on POLL votes, originality,
readability, and other qualities. The winner will
receive their choice prize of $50 "or" a
meteorite from MeteoriteMarket.com of equal or
lesser value to $50. Hopefully this will generate
buzz in the meteorite community and interest in learning more about meteorites.

Everyone is invited to contribute their own
meteorite hunting adventure article long or
short, and if you have a photo that would be
great to include with it. I'll post the article &
photos on the site within 24-48 hrs depending on
how many submissions I get for the contest. So
far I have 1 submission within a few hours of
annoucing the contest on my site at
http://www.meteoritewatch.com and I haven't even
officially announced the article contest yet.

I hope you enjoy what I've created on the site
and by all means I welcome all responses and
comments. That's what makes it interesting.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
www.meteoritewatch.com
eric at meteoritewatch.com



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> 1. Re: What the hell does Mars have to do with the Holocene
> Start Impacts? (Michael Farmer)
> 2. Monday morning, and back into the muck (E.P. Grondine)
> 3. Russian Language Scale Cubes (Paul)
> 4. Re: Russian Language Scale Cubes (Sergey Vasiliev)
> 5. Re: Russian Language Scale Cubes (Sergey Vasiliev)
> 6. Re: Russian Language Scale Cubes (Sergey Vasiliev)
> 7. Re: Monday morning, and back into the muck (Bill)
> 8. Re: Searching for Earthites on the Moon (Rob McCafferty)
> 9. Exploding Lunar Eclipse (Ron Baalke)
> 10. Re: Searching for Earthites on the Moon (Sterling K. Webb)
> 11. Re: Russian Language Scale Cubes (Darren Garrison)
> 12. Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 28, 2007
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> 13. Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars (Sterling K. Webb)
> 14. Re: Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars (mark ford)
>
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>From: Michael Farmer <meteoriteguy at yahoo.com>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>,
>meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>In-Reply-To: <10519.45673.qm at web36907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-ID: <316944.42879.qm at web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What the hell does Mars have to do with the
> Holocene Start Impacts?
>Message: 1
>
>I don't think anyone cares at this point. This thread
>has outlived its informative stage.
>Michael Farmer
>
>
>
>--- "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Well, we've reached a new level of absurdity here,
> > as
> > Paul wrote:
> >
> > "For example, as summarized in Baker and Nummedal
> > (1978) and seen in innumerable images of Mars,
> > cataclysmic floods of the type envisioned by Mr.
> > Grondine, produce very distinct landforms."
> >
> > As Paul well knows, CO2 is the more likely transport
> > mechanism for those deposits on Mars. The phase
> > state
> > laws for water prevent it from acting as Paul states
> > in the near vacuum of Mars' "atmosphere".
> >
> > Perhaps Paul's comment here explains what has been
> > going on: specifically, Paul's comments reflect the
> > intensity of the Mars Nuts desire to hoodwink us
> > into
> > wasting money on an insane plan to launch large
> > nuclear reactors over Florida for manned flight to
> > Mars.
> >
> > Perhaps its simply paranoia, but I have extreme
> > doubts
> > if Paul's coming up with these lengthy comments
> > which
> > he sends us all by himself.
> >
> > EP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>From: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
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>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-ID: <929358.17841.qm at web36915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Monday morning, and back into the muck
>Message: 2
>
>Hi all -
>
>Christ, do I get awarded a doctorate after all of this
>is done? Or is their a large cash prize involved if I
>"win" this?
>
>I wrote:
>
>"Back now to the Fairbank muck deposit:
>I WAS WRONG. I MADE A MISTAKE. AN ERROR.
>
>Clearly, the deposits which Hibbens observed
>at Fairbanks came from the sudden ice melt
>following this impact event:"
>
>And Paul observed:
>"This is not the impact generated mega-tsunami, which
>here-to fore you have been arguing happened and which
>is what I thought the discussion was all about. I find
>it revealing that once your tsunami hypothesis for the
>origin of specific beds described by Hibben (1943) has
>been demolished, you invents a new and contradictory
>explanation."
>
>Well, as it is very difficult to try to figure out
>exactly what occurred when some 12,000 years ago, I
>reserve my right to change my opinion again as new
>data comes in. The First People's holocene start
>accounts that I read had no large fire, but then I've
>been told by other researchers that there are other
>accounts which do.
>
>That said, the traditions that I did read all included
>the description of a COMET. And as it was very
>difficult to try to understand exactly what the
>ancestors were trying to tell us, I kept my commentary
>very distinct from the passing on of their traditions.
>
>"If this is what Mr. Grondine is proposing, then it is
>
>dishonest for Mr. Grondine to claim that Hibben (1943)
>supports his point of view"
>
>What Hibben proposed was that a supervolcanic
>explosion had killed the mega-fuana. And I set out
>Hibben's hypothesis in my book "Man and Impact in the
>Americas", and stated why I disagreed with it. There
>is nothing "dishonest" about that. That's unlike some
>people, who will intentionally misquote my own words
>back to me, and quite fearlessly add insults to their
>comments.
>
>"as Hibben (1943) clearly stated:
>
>""The deposits known as muck may be definitely
>described, in the opinion of the writer, as loess
>material. All characteristics seem to indicate a
>wind-borne origin from comparatively local
>sources, as the material resembles local bedrock.
>The outwash plains of the local glaciations are
>likely points of origin for this material.""
>
>"Hibben (1943) clearly states above that he interprets
>the bulk of the Alaskan "muck" being likely composed
>of wind-blown silt."
>
>"It is just specific layers, which Hibben (1943)
>described as being containing the jumbled remains of
>plants and animals that he argued as being the result
>of a catastrophe."
>
>"Even your new hypothesis cannot explain the physical
>characteristics of the Alaskan muck. Cataclysmic
>floods of any type simply do not deposit thick
>sequences of silty sediments."
>
>Well, floods may not deposit "thick sequences of silty
>sediments", but impact mega-tsunami do, as can be seen
>at La Venta, where they have 20 feet of "marine
>sediment".
>
>Bottom line, Paul, I've never been to Alaska, and I
>thought that the reason that the hydraulic mining
>operation was going on was to recover gold from
>gravels that had been washed down.
>
>EP
>
>
>
>
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>From: Paul <bristolia at yahoo.com>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:40:46 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-ID: <227431.28164.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>Message: 3
>
>Has anyone ever produced any foreign language
>scale cubes? I am wondering if any scale cubes
>using Russian characters have been made? Yours,
>Paul
>H.
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>From: "Sergey Vasiliev" <petrovich at sv-meteorites.com>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>In-Reply-To: <227431.28164.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:49:29 +0200
>Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOGEFJDPAA.petrovich at sv-meteorites.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii"
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>Message: 4
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>It will be complicated in Cyrillic because of double letters.
>
>W (west) - Cyrillic B (vostok)
>T (top) - Cyrillic B (verh)
>
>;-)))
>
>Regards,
>Sergey
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Paul
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:41 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>
>
>Has anyone ever produced any foreign language scale cubes?
>
>I am wondering if any scale cubes using Russian characters
>have been made?
>
>Yours,
>
>Paul H.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>In-Reply-To: <227431.28164.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:51:39 +0200
>Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOKEFJDPAA.petrovich at sv-meteorites.com>
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>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>Message: 5
>
>Upps,
>
>E (east) - Cyrillic B (vostok)
>
>Forgetting my own language :-(
>
>Sergey
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Paul
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:41 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>
>
>Has anyone ever produced any foreign language scale cubes?
>
>I am wondering if any scale cubes using Russian characters
>have been made?
>
>Yours,
>
>Paul H.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________
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>To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>In-Reply-To: <227431.28164.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:08:41 +0200
>Message-ID: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOEEFKDPAA.petrovich at sv-meteorites.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="us-ascii"
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>Message: 6
>
>To make the Cyrillic cube more clear:
>http://sv-meteorites.jodoshared.com/Gallery/cube.jpg
>Regards,
>Sergey
>-----------------------------------------
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>U Dalnice 839,
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com]On Behalf Of Paul
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:41 PM
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>
>
>Has anyone ever produced any foreign language scale cubes?
>
>I am wondering if any scale cubes using Russian characters
>have been made?
>
>Yours,
>
>Paul H.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>____________________________________________________________________________
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>From: Bill <glixard at inbox.com>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>To: "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com>
>In-Reply-To: <929358.17841.qm at web36915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:02:57 -0800
>Message-ID: <6B9572ED0DA.00000494glixard at inbox.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Monday morning, and back into the muck
>Message: 7
>
>It was interesting in the beginning. Now it's
>become an epic of spam. With all respect,
>although I'm beginning to wonder if any is due...
>
>Bill
>Zero books written, nothing for sale.
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: epgrondine at yahoo.com
> > Sent: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:36:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Monday morning, and back into the muck
> >
> > Hi all -
> >
> > Christ, do I get awarded a doctorate after all of this
> > is done? Or is their a large cash prize involved if I
> > "win" this?
> >
> > I wrote:
> >
> > "Back now to the Fairbank muck deposit:
> > I WAS WRONG. I MADE A MISTAKE. AN ERROR.
> >
> > Clearly, the deposits which Hibbens observed
> > at Fairbanks came from the sudden ice melt
> > following this impact event:"
> >
> > And Paul observed:
> > "This is not the impact generated mega-tsunami, which
> > here-to fore you have been arguing happened and which
> > is what I thought the discussion was all about. I find
> > it revealing that once your tsunami hypothesis for the
> > origin of specific beds described by Hibben (1943) has
> > been demolished, you invents a new and contradictory
> > explanation."
> >
> > Well, as it is very difficult to try to figure out
> > exactly what occurred when some 12,000 years ago, I
> > reserve my right to change my opinion again as new
> > data comes in. The First People's holocene start
> > accounts that I read had no large fire, but then I've
> > been told by other researchers that there are other
> > accounts which do.
> >
> > That said, the traditions that I did read all included
> > the description of a COMET. And as it was very
> > difficult to try to understand exactly what the
> > ancestors were trying to tell us, I kept my commentary
> > very distinct from the passing on of their traditions.
> >
> > "If this is what Mr. Grondine is proposing, then it is
> >
> > dishonest for Mr. Grondine to claim that Hibben (1943)
> > supports his point of view"
> >
> > What Hibben proposed was that a supervolcanic
> > explosion had killed the mega-fuana. And I set out
> > Hibben's hypothesis in my book "Man and Impact in the
> > Americas", and stated why I disagreed with it. There
> > is nothing "dishonest" about that. That's unlike some
> > people, who will intentionally misquote my own words
> > back to me, and quite fearlessly add insults to their
> > comments.
> >
> > "as Hibben (1943) clearly stated:
> >
> > ""The deposits known as muck may be definitely
> > described, in the opinion of the writer, as loess
> > material. All characteristics seem to indicate a
> > wind-borne origin from comparatively local
> > sources, as the material resembles local bedrock.
> > The outwash plains of the local glaciations are
> > likely points of origin for this material.""
> >
> > "Hibben (1943) clearly states above that he interprets
> > the bulk of the Alaskan "muck" being likely composed
> > of wind-blown silt."
> >
> > "It is just specific layers, which Hibben (1943)
> > described as being containing the jumbled remains of
> > plants and animals that he argued as being the result
> > of a catastrophe."
> >
> > "Even your new hypothesis cannot explain the physical
> > characteristics of the Alaskan muck. Cataclysmic
> > floods of any type simply do not deposit thick
> > sequences of silty sediments."
> >
> > Well, floods may not deposit "thick sequences of silty
> > sediments", but impact mega-tsunami do, as can be seen
> > at La Venta, where they have 20 feet of "marine
> > sediment".
> >
> > Bottom line, Paul, I've never been to Alaska, and I
> > thought that the reason that the hydraulic mining
> > operation was going on was to recover gold from
> > gravels that had been washed down.
> >
> > EP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
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>From: Rob McCafferty <rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com>
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>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: cynapse at charter.net, meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
>In-Reply-To: <d6o4d3hdiab7jvncqjhrlk9kab48282ru3 at 4ax.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:20:31 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-ID: <596193.87145.qm at web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Searching for Earthites on the Moon
>Message: 8
>
>More than a little ambitious if you ask me.
>
>This is assuming that any evidence isn't vapourised by
>the impact of such earthites hitting at a minimum of
>2.?km/s and also assuming that such unmolested
>evidence is present wherever they intend to drill for
>it.
>They'd be better off waiting until the pig migration
>season and asking one for it's opinion as it flies
>past.
>
>
>--- Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>
> >
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/26/scimeteror12.xml
> >
> > Moon meteorites may hold clue to life on Earth
> > By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday
> > Telegraph
> > Last Updated: 12:01am BST 26/08/2007
> >
> > Scientists are planning a mission to drill beneath
> > the Moon's surface for buried
> > meteorites that may hold clues to how life began on
> > Earth.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: Ron Baalke <baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
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>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List)
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT)
>Message-ID: <200708272350.QAA01051 at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Exploding Lunar Eclipse
>Message: 9
>
>
>http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/27aug_explodingeclipse.htm
>
>Exploding Lunar Eclipse
>NASA Science News
>August 27, 2007
>
>August 27, 2007: Most people appreciate lunar eclipses for their silent
>midnight beauty. NASA astronomer Bill Cooke is different: he loves the
>explosions.
>
>On Tuesday morning, Aug. 28th, Earth's shadow will settle across the
>Moon for a 90-minute total eclipse: full story
><http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/03aug_dreamyeclipse.htm>. In
>the midst of the lunar darkness, Cooke hopes to record some flashes of
>light--explosions caused by meteoroids crashing into the Moon and
>blasting themselves to smithereens.
>
>"The eclipse is a great time to look," says Cooke, who heads up NASA's
>Meteoroid Environment Office (MEO) at the Marshall Space Flight Center.
>The entire face of the Moon will be in shadow for more than two hours,
>offering more than 7 million sq. miles of dark terrain as target for
>incoming meteoroids.
>
>Lunar explosions are nothing new. Cooke's team has been monitoring the
>Moon since late 2005 and they've recorded 62 impacts so far. "Meteoroids
>that hit Earth disintegrate in the atmosphere, producing a harmless
>streak of light. But the Moon has no atmosphere, so 'lunar meteors'
>plunge into the ground," he says. Typical strikes release as much energy
>as 100 kg of TNT, gouging craters several meters wide and producing
>bursts of light bright enough to be seen 240,000 miles away on Earth
>through ordinary backyard telescopes.
>
>"About half of the impacts we see come from regular meteor showers like
>the Perseids and Leonids," says MEO team-member Danielle Moser. "The
>other half are 'sporadic' meteors associated with no particular asteroid
>or comet."
>
>The MEO observatory is located on the grounds of the Marshall Space
>Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, and consists of two 14-inch
>telescopes equipped with sensitive low-light video cameras. Moser and
>colleague Victoria Coffey will be on duty Tuesday morning.
>
>During the eclipse, they hope to catch an elusive variety of meteor
>called Helions.
>
>"Helion meteoroids come from the direction of the sun," Cooke says, "and
>that makes them very difficult to observe." They streak across the sky
>most often around local noon when the sun's glare is too intense for
>meteor watching.
>
>Wait a minute. Meteors from the sun? "The sun itself is not the source,"
>he explains. "We believe Helion meteoroids come from ancient sungrazing
>comets that laid down trails of dusty debris in the vicinity of the sun."
>
>No one can be certain, however, because Helion meteoroids are so devilishly
>difficult to study. Astronomers see them only in small numbers briefly
>before dawn or after sunset. Attempts to study Helions via radar during
>the day have been foiled, to a degree, by terrestrial radio interference
>and natural radio bursts from the sun - both of which can drown out
>meteoroid "pings."
>
>Enter the eclipse.
>
>During the eclipse, the Man in the Moon (the face we see from Earth)
>will be turned squarely toward the sun???"perfect geometry for
>intercepting Helion meteoroids," says Moser. "And with Earth's shadow
>providing some darkness, we should be able to see any explosions quite
>clearly."
>
>"Watching Helion meteoroids hit the Moon and studying the flashes will
>tell us more about their size, velocity and penetration," she adds.
>That, in turn, will further the MEO's goal of estimating meteoroid
>hazards to spacecraft and future Moon-walking astronauts.
>
>No one has ever seen a lunar impact during an eclipse, "but there's a
>first time for everything," Cooke says. Stay tuned to Science at NASA for
>results.
>
>
>
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>From: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: "Rob McCafferty" <rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com>, <cynapse at charter.net>,
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>References: <596193.87145.qm at web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:09:44 -0500
>Reply-To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
>Message-ID: <03f401c7e907$bd771790$2850e146 at ATARIENGINE>
>Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Searching for Earthites on the Moon
>Message: 10
>
>Hi, Rob, Darren,
>
> Lunar escape velocity is 2368 m/s, and each gram that
>"falls" to the Moon's surface carries a minimum kinetic
>energy of 2803.7 joules or 2.8 x 10^8 ergs.
>
> The energy required to melt (from room termperature)
>1 gram of Earth rock is about 1.2 x 10^10 ergs. Vaporizing
>it takes more energy still. The energy required to crush it
>to a fine powder (bursting strength) is about 1/10 that amount.
>
> So an Earth rock appears to be 43 times stronger than
>is necessary to survive the impact "unpowdered." However,
>that is a very small margin of safety when you consider
>that the "Earth rock" will have just been recently subjected
>to a much bigger impact knocking it off the Earth and will
>have been considerably weakened by that experience!
>
> On the other hand, "conventional" meteorites, structurally
>weak to begin with, are approaching the Earth-Moon system
>are 5,000 m/s to 15,000 m/s in their orbits. They will strike
>with 100 to 500 times more energy than the minimum "fall"
>energy.
>
> The "biggest" meteorite ever found on the Moon, HADLEY
>RILLE, is a 1 millimeter fragment of EH chondrite. Virtually all
>"conventional" meteorites will impact with more than enough
>energy to powder them (or worse). HADLEY RILLE was just
>lucky... and tough.
>
> > pig migration season... asking one for it's opinion
> > as it flies past...
>
> Not "scientific" enough.
>
> Possibly we could observe the flight of the pigs and
>from the number of pigs shot down by meteorites, deduce
>the lunar meteorite influx to see if this project is worthwhile?
>
> With a suitably sensitive 10,000 meter telescope in orbit,
>we could probably even deduce the kinetic energy of each
>meteorite by observing the damage to the pig in detail.
>
> [Insert artist's rendition of perforated pig falling into
>death spiral with lots of red splatter.]
>
>
>Sterling K. Webb
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob McCafferty" <rob_mccafferty at yahoo.com>
>To: <cynapse at charter.net>; <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Searching for Earthites on the Moon
>
>
>More than a little ambitious if you ask me.
>
>This is assuming that any evidence isn't vapourised by
>the impact of such earthites hitting at a minimum of
>2.?km/s and also assuming that such unmolested
>evidence is present wherever they intend to drill for
>it.
>They'd be better off waiting until the pig migration
>season and asking one for it's opinion as it flies
>past.
>
>
>--- Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net> wrote:
>
> >
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/08/26/scimeteror12.xml
> >
> > Moon meteorites may hold clue to life on Earth
> > By Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday
> > Telegraph
> > Last Updated: 12:01am BST 26/08/2007
> >
> > Scientists are planning a mission to drill beneath
> > the Moon's surface for buried
> > meteorites that may hold clues to how life began on
> > Earth.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
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>References: <227431.28164.qm at web36201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOGEFJDPAA.petrovich at sv-meteorites.com>
>In-Reply-To: <LCELIFLDMGKFPKOAIBKOGEFJDPAA.petrovich at sv-meteorites.com>
>Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:43:55 -0400
>Reply-To: cynapse at charter.net
>Message-ID: <7bv6d3t1rgmet6icmokltbr7cncvi768mk at 4ax.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Language Scale Cubes
>Message: 11
>
>On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:49:29 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >Hi Paul,
> >
> >It will be complicated in Cyrillic because of double letters.
> >
> >W (west) - Cyrillic B (vostok)
> >T (top) - Cyrillic B (verh)
> >
>
>You could always print (or cut) the whole words:
>
>http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/scale_cubes_russian.jpg
>
>(translations via Babelfish, any mistakes are purely theirs) :-)
>
>Or I like these:
>
>http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/scale_cubes_japanese.jpg
>
>
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>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:15:18 EDT
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>Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space
>Picture of the Day - August 28, 2007
>Message: 12
>
>http://www.spacerocksinc.com/August_28_2007.html
>
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>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:44:21 -0500
>Reply-To: "Sterling K. Webb" <sterling_k_webb at sbcglobal.net>
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>Subject: [meteorite-list] Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars
>Message: 13
>
>Hi, All,
>
> With the Phoenix Lander headed for Martian
>permafrost territory, this is suddenly more interesting.
>
>http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2733009920070827?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&sp=true
>
>Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars: Study
>
>LONDON (Reuters) - Ancient bacteria are able
>to survive nearly half a million years in harsh,
>frozen conditions, researchers said on Monday
>in a study that adds to arguments that permafrost
>environments on Mars could harbor life.
>
>The findings also represent the oldest independently
>authenticated DNA to date obtained from living
>cells and could offer clues to better understand
>ageing, said Eske Willerslev, a researcher at the
>University of Copenhagen who led the study.
>
>"When it can live half a million years on Earth it
>makes it very promising it could survive on Mars
>for a very long time," Willerslev said. "Permafrost
>would be an excellent place to look for life on Mars."
>
>The international team, which also included researchers
>from the United States, Canada, Russia and Sweden,
>tested the microbes living up to 10 meters deep in
>permafrost collected from Northern Canada, the
>Yukon, Siberia and Antarctica.
>
>When a cell dies, its DNA fragments into pieces but
>the samples the researchers studied were all very long
>strands -- evidence the cells were able to continuously
>repair genetic material and remain alive, said Willerslev,
>whose findings were published in the Proceedings of
>the Academy of Sciences.
>
>"These cells are active cells repairing DNA to deal
>with continuous degradation of the genomes, which
>is the genetic material that is key to life," he said in
>a telephone interview. "It is the same thing with humans."
>
>The scientists do not yet know the mechanism driving
>the continuous repair but Willerslev said the cells survived
>by eating nutrients like nitrogen and phosphate lodged
>in the permafrost.
>
>This is interesting because the temperature on Mars is
>much colder with more stable temperatures, representing
>an even better environment to sustain this kind of life, he
>added.
>
>While most scientists think our neighbor in the solar
>system is lifeless, the discovery of microbes on Earth
>that can exist in environments previously thought too
>hostile has fuelled debate over extraterrestrial life.
>
>Researchers had known these microbes could survive
>for a long time without food but until now there was
>little agreement on how long they could live, Willerslev said.
>
>Knowing this, and eventually pinpointing the key to this
>longevity, may also help scientists better understand
>the ageing process, he added.
>
>"It is interesting to see why some cells can survive
>for a very long time," he said. "That can be a key
>for understanding ageing."
>
>
>
>
>From: "mark ford" <markf at ssl.gb.com>
>Precedence: list
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>To: <Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
>References: <042101c7e936$7c5883f0$2850e146 at ATARIENGINE>
>Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 13:40:16 +0100
>Message-ID:
><6CE3EEEFE92F4B4085B0E086B2941B31391446 at s-southern01.s-southern.com>
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>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars
>Message: 14
>
> >> "When it can live half a million years on Earth it makes it very
>promising it could survive on Mars for a very long time," Willerslev
>said. "Permafrost would be an excellent place to look for life on Mars."
>
>Yeah but call be a cynic, but Surely half a million years on earth is
>environmentally like half a decade on Mars!?
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
>Sterling K. Webb
>Sent: 28 August 2007 06:44
>To: Meteorite List
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars
>
>Hi, All,
>
> With the Phoenix Lander headed for Martian
>permafrost territory, this is suddenly more interesting.
>
>http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2733009920070827?feedType=RS
>S&feedName=topNews&sp=true
>
>Ancient bacteria could point to life on Mars: Study
>
>LONDON (Reuters) - Ancient bacteria are able
>to survive nearly half a million years in harsh,
>frozen conditions, researchers said on Monday
>in a study that adds to arguments that permafrost
>environments on Mars could harbor life.
>
>The findings also represent the oldest independently
>authenticated DNA to date obtained from living
>cells and could offer clues to better understand
>ageing, said Eske Willerslev, a researcher at the
>University of Copenhagen who led the study.
>
>"When it can live half a million years on Earth it
>makes it very promising it could survive on Mars
>for a very long time," Willerslev said. "Permafrost
>would be an excellent place to look for life on Mars."
>
>The international team, which also included researchers
>from the United States, Canada, Russia and Sweden,
>tested the microbes living up to 10 meters deep in
>permafrost collected from Northern Canada, the
>Yukon, Siberia and Antarctica.
>
>When a cell dies, its DNA fragments into pieces but
>the samples the researchers studied were all very long
>strands -- evidence the cells were able to continuously
>repair genetic material and remain alive, said Willerslev,
>whose findings were published in the Proceedings of
>the Academy of Sciences.
>
>"These cells are active cells repairing DNA to deal
>with continuous degradation of the genomes, which
>is the genetic material that is key to life," he said in
>a telephone interview. "It is the same thing with humans."
>
>The scientists do not yet know the mechanism driving
>the continuous repair but Willerslev said the cells survived
>by eating nutrients like nitrogen and phosphate lodged
>in the permafrost.
>
>This is interesting because the temperature on Mars is
>much colder with more stable temperatures, representing
>an even better environment to sustain this kind of life, he
>added.
>
>While most scientists think our neighbor in the solar
>system is lifeless, the discovery of microbes on Earth
>that can exist in environments previously thought too
>hostile has fuelled debate over extraterrestrial life.
>
>Researchers had known these microbes could survive
>for a long time without food but until now there was
>little agreement on how long they could live, Willerslev said.
>
>Knowing this, and eventually pinpointing the key to this
>longevity, may also help scientists better understand
>the ageing process, he added.
>
>"It is interesting to see why some cells can survive
>for a very long time," he said. "That can be a key
>for understanding ageing."
>
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