[meteorite-list] Hard (really stupid )

From: Thaddeus Besedin <endophasy_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 22:46:13 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <9786.60072.qm_at_web62514.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Individual skeletons, not entire collective burial of
members of particular genetically tall groups, were
interred in the fashion described by Dragoo. Not all
Adena individuals where buried in mounds, and Adena
socioeconomic structure was probably hierarchical.
Exceptionally tall people may have enjoyed enhanced
cultural significance and this significance may be
reflected by the statistically disproportionate
distribution of skeletal remains interred in mounds of
individuals above two meters in height.
An impact did not wipe out the Clovis people, but the
fluted point style specialized for the killing and
butchering of megafauna became extinct as a result of
rapid reversion to glacial conditions and subsequent
irreversible extinction of most megafauna. Until
radiocarbon and stratigraphic analysis can define the
duration and breadth of events directly preceding the
rapid climatic change of the Younger Dryas, impacts
will hold no assumed correlation to climatic change in
that period.

-Thaddeus

--- "E.P. Grondine" <epgrondine at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all -
>
> Please feel free to delete this message immediately,
> unless you think you might enjoy seeing Darren
> getting
> beaten, tied to a stake, and slowly roasted. In that
> case, please feel free to join in.
>
> > From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
>
> > No, I'm not "insulting your book",
>
> Yes you are, and you are insulting me and everyone
> else here on the list who can read English. And your
> denials just waste more of our time.
>
> > But I'm not as dumb as the crop
> > circle and alien astronaut and Roswell aliens
> crowd
> > that have been giving you the interviews and
> reviews
> > that I've found on the web so far (what's that
> about
> > birds of a feather?) so I'm not going to be fooled
> > by your asides.
>
> Those folks run late night radio, and their
> listeners
> buy books, and if I'm able to educate a few them as
> to
> real history and the real impact hazard and sell
> books, all to the good.
>
> Particularly when I can hold Griffin's feet to the
> fire before a couple of million listeners at the
> same
> time. Griffin's standing in contempt of the
> Congress
> right now for ignoring their instructions to find
> the
> next piece of stuff from space before it hits, while
> at the same time wasting a lot of money on an insane
> scheme to launch large nuclear reactors over Florida
> for manned flight to Mars.
>
> But with the mess in Iraq, no one has the time to
> call
> him on it. I always give Griffin's number out to the
> late night radio listeners who I speak to. Afraid?
> Call Mike Griffin at NASA Headquarters: it's his job
> to deal with this.
>
> >Here's the damn questions. Not insults.
>
> No, those came first.
>
> >
> > Question 1-- By what means do you provide evidence
> > that the creation myths you
> > cite as being historical accounts are indeed
> > accurate historical accounts?
>
> 1) Darren, the peoples' creation myths are different
> than their traditions (histories).
>
> > Question 2-- By what means do you determine WHICH
> > creation myths are accurate
> > ancient history and which creation myths are just
> > myths?
>
> 2) Well, aside from the fact that the two are pretty
> clearly separated in Eastern cultural traditions,
> one
> relies on physical evidence.
>
> For example, having a nice layer of impactites
> helps.
> Otherwise you have to look for cultural
> discontinuities, like the disappearance of Clovis,
> and
> then look for geological evidence of impact, such as
> the layer of impactites.
>
> > Question 3-By what system do you determine that
> the
> > stories have been
> > transmitted accurately over 13,000 years by this
> > specific story...
>
> 3) see answer to 2, above.
>
> > And I
> > will publicly apologize to you if you provide
> > reasonable evidence to those
> > questions.
>
> Yeah - I'm waiting, Darren, and so is everyone else
> here, but we're not holding our breaths.
>
> >do you REALLY believe in a
> > culture of 7 1/2 foot tall Native Americans,
>
> Darren, the standard introductory text on Adena
> archeology, Dragoo's "Mounds for the Dead",
> describes
> Dragoo's and Neuman's excavations of just such a
> culture and and its 7 and a half foot tall people.
> This book is standard reading in all introductory
> archeology courses in the east.
>
> Further, these seven and a half foot tall people
> survived to European contact, and we have Captain
> John
> Smith's and others' accounts of them. (They're
> included in my book.)
>
> It is a shame they were killed off by the Europeans,
> otherwise we'd have had some great basketball teams.
>
>
> > And a personal question to satisfy my
> curiosity-are
> > you a Native American?
> > Because I can't understand another reason for you
> to
> > be accepting these accounts
> > so uncritically unless they border or religion for
> > you.
>
> I see. You can't handle the newly discovered
> impactite
> layer, so you'll resort to another tactic, such as
> accusing me of cultural bias, or superstition.
>
> Well, actually, Darren, in addition to a wiff of
> Wendat (Huron) and Ojibwe on Dad's French Canadian
> side, I am one eighth Shawneee from my mother,
> specifically Thewighilly Division Shawnee, whose
> responsibility it was to see that the traditions
> were
> handed down intact and uncorrupted.
>
> And I have had my DNA tested to show it, and I am
> now
> a member of the East of the River Shawnee. And I
> also
> have diabetes and high blood pressure, and brain
> damage left from a diabetic stroke - but even with
> what's left of my brain, I can still handle somebody
> acting like an obnoxious blow hard, like you are
> now.
>
> But your insults are not what motivates me here.
> The
> ancestors made a great effort to pass on their
> warnings about the hazards they faced in the past,
> and
> given their efforts, the least I can do today is to
> share their warnings with the people living here
> now,
> despite the fact that many of them are complete
> a******s, such as yourself, who are scarcely worth
> saving.
>
> And since you've brought the subject of my ancestry
> up, as though that would somehow impugn my
> scientific
> and historical work, let me ask you, have you ever
> considered going back to Europe?
>
> Darren, if you bothered to buy yourself a copy of my
> book and read it, you would not be making a FOOL of
> yourself by making these statements.
>
> > You will never get one penny of my money,
>
> I see, not only a FOOL, but CHEAP as well. Your lack
> of money is well deserved.
>
> > and being
> > called a fool by someone who falls for fraudulent
> > fairy tales and 7 1/2 foot tall Indian tribes has
> no
> > weight with me.
>
> And STUPID: you could always use an inter-library
> loan.
>
> > a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
>
> Some FOOLS can be deceived by someone looking like
> they're weak - after all, it worked on Custer.
>
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas
> try Mark Abbott for a trade,
> or contact me off list for a signed copy
>
> > Come back "Steve Arnold from Chicago" - all is
> > forgiven!
>
>
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