[meteorite-list] A few Hard Answers for some really stupid questions

From: E.P. Grondine <epgrondine_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <822256.34039.qm_at_web36908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all -

Please feel free to delete this message immediately,
unless you think you might enjoy seeing Darren getting
beaten, tied to a stake, and slowly roasted. In that
case, please feel free to join in.

> From: Darren Garrison <cynapse at charter.net>
 
> No, I'm not "insulting your book",

Yes you are, and you are insulting me and everyone
else here on the list who can read English. And your
denials just waste more of our time.

> But I'm not as dumb as the crop
> circle and alien astronaut and Roswell aliens crowd
> that have been giving you the interviews and reviews
> that I've found on the web so far (what's that about
> birds of a feather?) so I'm not going to be fooled
> by your asides.

Those folks run late night radio, and their listeners
buy books, and if I'm able to educate a few them as to
real history and the real impact hazard and sell
books, all to the good.

Particularly when I can hold Griffin's feet to the
fire before a couple of million listeners at the same
time. Griffin's standing in contempt of the Congress
right now for ignoring their instructions to find the
next piece of stuff from space before it hits, while
at the same time wasting a lot of money on an insane
scheme to launch large nuclear reactors over Florida
for manned flight to Mars.

But with the mess in Iraq, no one has the time to call
him on it. I always give Griffin's number out to the
late night radio listeners who I speak to. Afraid?
Call Mike Griffin at NASA Headquarters: it's his job
to deal with this.

>Here's the damn questions. Not insults.

No, those came first.

>
> Question 1-- By what means do you provide evidence
> that the creation myths you
> cite as being historical accounts are indeed
> accurate historical accounts?

1) Darren, the peoples' creation myths are different
than their traditions (histories).
 
> Question 2-- By what means do you determine WHICH
> creation myths are accurate
> ancient history and which creation myths are just
> myths?

2) Well, aside from the fact that the two are pretty
clearly separated in Eastern cultural traditions, one
relies on physical evidence.

For example, having a nice layer of impactites helps.
Otherwise you have to look for cultural
discontinuities, like the disappearance of Clovis, and
then look for geological evidence of impact, such as
the layer of impactites.

> Question 3-By what system do you determine that the
> stories have been
> transmitted accurately over 13,000 years by this
> specific story...

3) see answer to 2, above.

> And I
> will publicly apologize to you if you provide
> reasonable evidence to those
> questions.

Yeah - I'm waiting, Darren, and so is everyone else
here, but we're not holding our breaths.

>do you REALLY believe in a
> culture of 7 1/2 foot tall Native Americans,

Darren, the standard introductory text on Adena
archeology, Dragoo's "Mounds for the Dead", describes
Dragoo's and Neuman's excavations of just such a
culture and and its 7 and a half foot tall people.
This book is standard reading in all introductory
archeology courses in the east.

Further, these seven and a half foot tall people
survived to European contact, and we have Captain John
Smith's and others' accounts of them. (They're
included in my book.)

It is a shame they were killed off by the Europeans,
otherwise we'd have had some great basketball teams.

> And a personal question to satisfy my curiosity-are
> you a Native American?
> Because I can't understand another reason for you to
> be accepting these accounts
> so uncritically unless they border or religion for
> you.

I see. You can't handle the newly discovered impactite
layer, so you'll resort to another tactic, such as
accusing me of cultural bias, or superstition.

Well, actually, Darren, in addition to a wiff of
Wendat (Huron) and Ojibwe on Dad's French Canadian
side, I am one eighth Shawneee from my mother,
specifically Thewighilly Division Shawnee, whose
responsibility it was to see that the traditions were
handed down intact and uncorrupted.

And I have had my DNA tested to show it, and I am now
a member of the East of the River Shawnee. And I also
have diabetes and high blood pressure, and brain
damage left from a diabetic stroke - but even with
what's left of my brain, I can still handle somebody
acting like an obnoxious blow hard, like you are now.

But your insults are not what motivates me here. The
ancestors made a great effort to pass on their
warnings about the hazards they faced in the past, and
given their efforts, the least I can do today is to
share their warnings with the people living here now,
despite the fact that many of them are complete
a******s, such as yourself, who are scarcely worth
saving.

And since you've brought the subject of my ancestry
up, as though that would somehow impugn my scientific
and historical work, let me ask you, have you ever
considered going back to Europe?

Darren, if you bothered to buy yourself a copy of my
book and read it, you would not be making a FOOL of
yourself by making these statements.
 
> You will never get one penny of my money,

I see, not only a FOOL, but CHEAP as well. Your lack
of money is well deserved.

> and being
> called a fool by someone who falls for fraudulent
> fairy tales and 7 1/2 foot tall Indian tribes has no
> weight with me.

And STUPID: you could always use an inter-library
loan.

> a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

Some FOOLS can be deceived by someone looking like
they're weak - after all, it worked on Custer.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
try Mark Abbott for a trade,
or contact me off list for a signed copy

> Come back "Steve Arnold from Chicago" - all is
> forgiven!

At least Steve gives out free meteorites. Darren and
Paul just give out free insults.



       
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