[meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828

From: Greg Hupe <gmhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Sep 7 13:11:08 2006
Message-ID: <013c01c6d2a0$9b555920$19b02041_at_Gregor>

Hi Jeff and Everyone interested,

Please have a look at one of my eBay descriptions where I detail out much of
the new information that has come to light since the original NWA 2828
abstract. Here is a direct link to one of the additional slices that has the
description:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025590938&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

The new abstract details things even more, including that fact that there
were 125 stones found. The original amount was 36, then after the
classification was made, the additional material came to light and was being
prepared and another type sample was submitted. This is when the radial
pyroxene chondrules were found. I submitted 87 grams to the different labs
in order to crack this difficult nut! Again, the abstract will reveal more
when it is out. I will let the scientists have that honor, but like I said,
my eBay description has most of that information widdled down for easier
reading and understanding.

One of the benefits of going to Morocco just about every month and
investigating these things and obtaining new material is that we can
decipher the unknowns and get to the bottom of it all to the best of our
abilities. Science is science and I believe it is open to debate when new
evidence comes to light. I feel this is a good and healthy discussion we are
having despite the comics who chime in.

Best regards,
Greg

====================
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
IMCA 3163
====================


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman_at_usgs.gov>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828


> Greg,
>
> I'd like to hear more about this find. The MetBull entry says that 36
> stones were found. Was there a meteorite-rich layer found in a rock
> outcrop? Why didn't this get reported? If it ever got transported in a
> stream, I'm surprised 36 stones were found in one place. Can you tell us
> the rest of the story?
>
> I have no problem with the term "fossil meteorite". There are many
> similar uses of the term "fossil" in the earth sciences where it is not
> referring to former life. However, I would think the term should be
> reserved for cases of meteorites actually found in a rock or very old
> sediments. Lots of meteorite finds are discovered below the surface in
> soil or recent sediments (like Brenham!), or in stream beds, but nobody
> calls them fossil meteorites. Others have clearly been below the surface
> at one time (like every Antarctic meteorite), but nobody calls them fossil
> meteorites either.
>
> So let's hear the whole story!
>
> Jeff
>
>
> At 11:47 AM 9/7/2006, Greg Hupe wrote:
>>Dear Jeff and other NWA 2828 EL3 enthusiasts,
>>
>>paleo-meteorite or "fossil" meteorite? That is the question...
>>
>>In a short conversation with one of the lead scientists who have and are
>>studying NWA 2828 and the other recent enstatite meteorites, they referred
>>to 2828 as a paleo-meteorite instead of "fossil" meteorite so people would
>>not think they referred to ancient life being found in it. The term
>>"fossil" meteorite has been used to describe several ancient meteorites
>>that were found in rocks or sediments; a 480 million year old quarried
>>Swedish limestone, a meteorite found in a drillcore through the impact
>>melt sheet of the 145 million year old Morokweng Crater, to name a couple.
>>The word fossil in geology has the strong connotation as evidence of life
>>but literally means "dug up". The prefix paleo- means ancient, so a
>>paleo-meteorite would be an ancient meteorite. That term does not
>>necessarily mean that it was excavated nor does it say how old it is, but
>>sedimentary processes on earth tend to bury objects on the surface after
>>tens to hundreds of thousands of years. It definitely was transported and
>>abraded by water flow, then buried and cemented into a terrestrial
>>conglomerate and then dug up. In short, the best way to describe NWA 2828
>>is either "fossil" meteorite or paleo-meteorite but has nothing to do with
>>ancient life. Terrestrial age dating is currently being performed and a
>>new abstract has been submitted.
>>
>>I hope this answers some of the questions this "new" and exciting
>>meteorite has brought up.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Greg
>>P.S. I loaded several more slices of NWA 2828 if anyone wants to have a
>>look.
>>
>>====================
>>Greg Hupe
>>The Hupe Collection
>>NaturesVault (eBay)
>>gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
>>IMCA 3163
>>====================
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Grossman" <jgrossman_at_usgs.gov>
>>To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>>Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:33 AM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - New Rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite - NWA 2828
>>
>>
>>>What the heck is a "paleometeorite", how is it different from a fossil
>>>meteorite, and why is NWA 2828 called this?
>>>
>>>jeff
>>>
>>>At 01:33 PM 9/5/2006, Greg Hupe wrote:
>>>>Dear List Members,
>>>>
>>>>I am pleased to announce a new and very rare EL3 Paleo-Meteorite. It is
>>>>NWA 2828 and was originally thought to be an aubrite but after
>>>>additional material was cut and analyzed at the University of Washington
>>>>and NAU, a few radial pyroxene chondrules were discovered. EL3's are
>>>>even rarer than aubrites so the re-classification turned out to a
>>>>pleasant surprise. What is interesting about NWA 2828 is the very low
>>>>count of chondrules throughout the individual stones, less than 1%! It
>>>>has taken nearly a year of hard work by myself and the scientists to get
>>>>this properly classified so if you are interested, purchase your EL3
>>>>material from the official source for NWA 2828 where you know you will
>>>>get a great deal and the right meteorite.
>>>>
>>>>I have loaded 36 slices, end cuts and individuals on eBay under my
>>>>seller name, NaturesVault. Here are the direct links to these very low
>>>>introductory-priced specimens:
>>>>
>>>>NWA 2828 EL3 Meteorite Specimens:
>>>>Slices
>>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025470628&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
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>>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=008&item=180025476678&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1
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>>>>
>>>>In addition to these great deals, I have a number of excellent auctions
>>>>ending tomorrow and Thursday. Be sure to check then out as many are
>>>>still at just 99 cents.
>>>>
>>>>Best regards and Thank You for looking and/or bidding, I appreciate it!
>>>>Greg
>>>>
>>>>====================
>>>>Greg Hupe
>>>>The Hupe Collection
>>>>NaturesVault (eBay)
>>>>gmhupe_at_tampabay.rr.com
>>>>IMCA 3163
>>>>====================
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184
>>>US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383
>>>954 National Center
>>>Reston, VA 20192, USA
>>>
>>>
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