[meteorite-list] ID cards

From: Fred Caillou Noir <fred_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 15:58:36 +0100
Message-ID: <00a901c7098f$b1ec86b0$0400a8c0_at_IBM>

Well Martin, that was just a proposal, based on what is shown on the ID cards I send with meteorites, and they are about 7cm x 3.5cm, which is not that big...
I also have another type that is about 7.5cm x 6cm, a bit bigger because I add a picture on this type.
But once again, it was a suggestion and not pretending that it MUST be like this.

That shows anyway that trying to find a "standard" only about what has to be written on an ID card can take long. So just think about standardizing the thickness of the paper itself! I won't take part, sorry =;o))

Cheers,

Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann at meteorite-martin.de>
To: <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards


>
> Hummm Frederic,
>
> I think it's a little bit impolite to hand over to the collector an
> ID-plank, instead of an ID-card.
> How should one place such much information on a card, which is little larger
> than 1 or 2 matchbooks?
>
> I think the very rudimentary data are sufficient,
> almost each collector knows how to use the Blue Book or the Bulletin
> database, so that we don't have to put him under tutelage.
> And don't forget, for many of them it's a fun, to categorize and to sort
> their specimens by their own, to write their own specimen labels, to
> customize and to build up their own databases or written documentation and
> to hunt in the literature and web for more information about the individual
> locales. That's one aspect, which makes collecting so satisfying.
> Not to forget, that for some collectors also individual specimen cards are
> collectible items or trophies. If they all would look the same, it would be
> a little monotone, wouldn't it?
> (I like our new cards, yummy, they even do have a hologram...)
>
> Huh and David,
> Close and tighten your Tyvek suit :-)
>
> Let's take the worst case of collectors for a dealer as an example:
> - They like to pay for the most exotic types 1 or 2 bucks per gram,
> everything else they take for an extortion.
> - They are buying only Micro- and Nanomounts in the sub-gram range.
> - But please, highly polished in at least 6 steps on both sides.
> - slices not thicker than 1mm,
> - and absolutely coplanar.
> They're waiting to get that stuff on ebay, where not so seldom, such
> specimens die at 5$.
> - They want to have it delivered from all over the world within 3 days after
> auction has ended,
> - but they don't want to pay more than 1$ shipment costs.
> - They want to have it sent registered
> - and with insurance.
> - If they aren't fully pleased with that specimen (or when they found the
> same locales meanwhile even more cheaper elsewhere), they want to send it
> back at the dealer's expense.
> - They want it to be well packed in a zip bag
> - and in an air cushion envelope.
> - For display it should come of course with a membrane box.
> - To avoid customs tax, they want to get the receipt sent separately by
> letter (of course on dealer's expense).
>
> And now, the dealer should also add a super-designed label, colour print,
> high gloss, laminated, professionally printed on deckle edged paper with a
> personal dedication?
>
> Ey David, in such cases it is by far cheaper and it would save so much time
> for a dealer to send to such a customer not only the money back, but to add
> a 10$ note, humbly thanking for the try to buy from him.
>
> Martin
>
> PS
> (Hmm, I'd like to have to have a flimsy paper ID-card from Mr.Chladni,
> Daubree, Cohen...)
>
>
> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
> Meteoriteshow
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. November 2006 13:33
> An: David Weir; mark ford; meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>
> Hi,
> I guess that most of us are open to standardize meteorites' ID cards but I
> think that the main stage would be to standardize the
> information that should be stated on such cards, when available of course.
> The material that the card is made of is another issue and if we want to
> standardize this as well I'm quite sure that it won't reach
> any complete agreement of each member of the community...
> Here is a suggestion of what ID cards could mention:
>
> - Name of the meteorite, with mention whether it is official (Nom Com) or
> not (personal name or working name, when not yet
> classified or Nom Com approved)
> - Type, as accurate as possible (could be an estimation such as "OC", etc
> when it is stated that the meteorite was not classified)
> - Lab & sicentist who made the classification (when classified)
> - Reference of Met Bul # & year (when classified)
> - Place of find / fall, with if possible coordinates
> - TKW
> - Number of fragments
> - Main scientific infos when classified (Fa% / Fs% for OCs, W, S, etc...)
> - Specimen's weight
> - Remarks (such as specimen's description -slice, endcut, individual,
> fragment...- or possible pairings, etc...)
> - And of course the name of the collection it comes from (with infos such as
> website and e-mail addresses for instance)
>
> All the best,
>
> Frederic Beroud
> http://www.meteoriteshow.com
> IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mark ford" <markf at ssl.gb.com>
> To: "David Weir" <dgweir at earthlink.net>;
> <meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ID cards
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of David
> > Weir
> > Sent: 16 November 2006 10:47
> > To: Meteorite List
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] ID cards
> >
> > Dear List,
> >
> > I remember when dealers used to give ID cards that were actually made
> > from card stock, or at least thick paper. Perhaps those who sell
> > thousands of specimens a year figure their businesses can save a few
> > dollars by going to flimsy paper for their ID cards, that's their
> > business decision. I personally don't like these flimsy paper "cards"
> > because they get bent and tear easily and just aren't compatible with
> > the real cards that I receive from the vast majority of dealers. I am
> > hesitant to pass these flimsy pieces of paper on to others when I trade
> > away or sell different specimens because they just make the specimen
> > seem cheap somehow, comparable to the cheap paper used. I just don't
> > understand how any highly successful meteorite business selling in a
> > worldwide market and trying to maintain a high standard of excellence
> > can provide such crappy (as in cow crappy) ID papers. I find it hard to
> > imagine a reason to do this, except of course if the cost of the card
> > stock for the card would be a significant portion of the sales profit,
> > such as in a Bessy speck. I'm not referring to that situation. I have
> > never seen this issue brought up on the list before and so I am
> > fearlessly bringing it up. Those who take offense are welcome to throw
> > crap at me, I have my Tyvek suit on and really don't care. I just get
> > tired of dealers calling flimsy paper IDs "ID Cards", but I'll get over
> > it in a few minutes.
> >
> > David
> > The Weir Meteorite Collection
> > meteoritestudies .com
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