AW: Re: [meteorite-list] Fraudulent Trade? latin translated

From: info_at_niger-meteorite-recon.de <info_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Jun 28 11:07:07 2006
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A little more respect for the clear beauty of the Ablativus Absolutus! And as far as 'dead languages' are concerned: there will be a time when all our current languages will be dead ...

However, here is a little translation of Dougs quotation from the 1st book of letters by Q. Horatius Flaccus:

Let me continue my advice, if you need advice at all,
- think often of what you say, and of whom,
and to whom you say it. Avoid a questioner, for he
is also a tattler. Open ears will not always keep secrets
loyally, and the word once let slip flies beyond
recall. Let no girl or boy within your worshipful
friend's marble threshold inflame your heart, lest
the owner of the pretty boy or dear girl make you
happy with a present so trifling or torment you if
disobliging. What sort of a person you introduce,
consider again and again, lest by and by the
other's failings strike you with shame. At times
we err and present someone unworthy: therefore, if
taken in, forbear to defend him whose own fault
drags him down, in order that, if charges assail
one you know thoroughly, you may watch over and
protect the man who relies on your championship.
For when he is nibbled at with Theon's tooth of
slander, don't you feel that a little later the
peril will pass to yourself?

'Tis your own safety
that's at stake, when your neighbour's wall is in
flames, and fires neglected are wont to gather
strength.

Best regards
Svend

www.niger-meteorite-recon.de






>So much for the "dead" language.........GEEZ.......I can see why its now
>dead......! Maybe we should get the Pope to translate it!
> Kirk..........
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <MexicoDoug_at_aol.com>
>To: <mlblood_at_cox.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fraudulent Trade?
>
>
>Michael B. wrote:
>>> While it appears there may be significant other issues in this case,
>>> it is none of my business - nor anyone else's on the list,
>
>Michael,
>
>The central point is that the emotions and incredible sums of money and
>meteorite transaction reputation involved here beg for an orderly
>negotiation in
>good faith by both parties' initiative - I think all unsolicited commenters
>actually agree!! That's where the list could realistically provide
>positive
>inspiration to both parties.
>
>It seems to be getting harder and harder to draw the line between the
>necessities and the excedents. I agree with you on many points and am sad
>to see
>how the positive ideas you integrated in your post are overlooked due to
>some
>of your other revolutionary suggestions which many don't necessarily share
>but certainly some appreciate. While our conclusions may be different, I
>think
>you have a bullseye when you suggest that multiple viewpoints exist without
>your commenting on justification or lack of it, and that encouraging dialog
>is essential to break this impasse. I get the vibe that you suggest that
>thirst for victory might be sweet by unchecked public flogging, but point
>out we
>are hopefully less savage in this age and I would add need the discipline
>to
>be respectful of our adversaries under all circumstances if we wish to
>obtain clean equity.
>
>Since I support your ideas thus discussed, the variations we then have are
>only academic. So as not to detract, I got to thinking of these verses,
>which
>perhaps some cultured linguist could help me through. Somehow they were
>resurrected to life from the ashes falling out of my inbox after another
>deletathon. I hope you at least agree with it to a point as applied. Damn
>Horacio
>who said it before - I certainly could not have said it better by any
>means:
>
>Qualem commendes, etiam atque etiam aspice, ne mox
>incutiant aliena tibi peccata pudorem.
>Fallimur et quondam non dignum tradimus; ergo
>quem sua culpa premet, deceptus omitte tueri,
>ut penitus notum, si temptent crimina, serues
>tuterisque tuo fidentem praesidio; qui
>dente Theonino cum circumroditur, ecquid
>ad te post paulo uentura pericula sentis?
>
>?? NAM TUA RES AGITUR, PARIES CUM PROXIMUS ARDET,
>ET NEGLECTA SOLENT INCENDIA SUMERE UIRES !!
>
>Apologies for the plagerized Latin, but I would feel foolish attempting a
>translation failing to do justice to these maxims. I thought you might
>appreciate it Michael as I picture Horacio melodically relating this stanza
>to both
>you and me in an olive garden where both participants boldly picked there
>own
>branches. I beg your pardon if I am mistaken or wrong to try to express my
>sometimes eccentric thoughts, or if I am too long on the soapbox, or
>putting
>you to sleep. This time they concern a situation that could destroy most
>meteorite aficionados' collecting careers and scare many a collector into
>remission. The wall next door is aflame.
>Saludos, Doug
>P.S. I am agreeing less and less with these public floggings for the
>simple
>reason that the resolutions are rarely publicized. A responsible feedback
>mechanism should also include what finally happened IMO when dealing with
>the
>reputation of a fellow aficionado.
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