AW: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Jun 23 18:42:11 2006
Message-ID: <00df01c69716$415c98e0$4f41fea9_at_name86d88d87e2>

Hi all too,

but Ken, if all are using sniper programs and those programs bid the maximum
bid in the last moment, what happens then?

Ebay is also entertainment, it's more thrilling to snipe manually (aside it
has more sportsmanship).
I never used sniper software - and I have to say, that method saves the most
money. If an auction is ending at a for me unfavourable day- or nighttime
and I miss it, I shrug - I have saved money. If a sniper program user is
faster than me and I don't win, again: a saved penny is an earned penny.
There will be always a new opportunity.

"you won't be in business for long by giving the stuff away."

Yep, that's what one can observe during the last 2 years. More and more
dealers have to give up. The diversification of the supply is shrinking,
not so many offerors, especially the semiprofessional dealers or the
collectors using ebay for sales can afford a mixed calculation to literally
give away pieces on ebay and to compensate the losses with other overpaid
results.
Another effect is, that the offerors in ebay have to suit on the
affectations of the ebay-clients or to say it clearly only to offer there
stuff, which they get reasonably paid.
Result is that the diversity of the supply on ebay suffers.
Take a look - at least 70% of all meteorite auctions on ebay, I'd say, are
always the same mass locales and/or to say it harshly: lousy crap, the
quality of preparation is on average worse than that, what you get from a
regular dealer and rarer or interesting types and historical falls you find
often only as microcrumbs.
Reason: Most sellers have to avoid to offer more superior specimens there,
cause they would be paid below their own costs.
But ebay is only one segment. More money certainly is to make for dealers
with a broad assortment beyond ebay.

Funny is also the psychology behind ebay, the blind trust of not so few,
that ebay would be always the cheapest way to get the stuff and thus many
never are buying at regular prices from a webdealer.
Shall I tell you a secret? I'm meanwhile a specialist in finding out
locales, which are not so frequently offered on ebay and I buy them from
dealers. In buying from them I never haggle, some give me a little discount,
some not - the buying price simply doesn't matter at all anymore. The stuff
is often rotting on their pages for several years and everybody, who has an
internet access could buy it - but they don't, because they are ebay
aficionados and they simply need the feeling of security, that they didn't
paid a to high price there, because there was at least one person, who was
willing to pay quite the same price.
The stuff I buy I set on ebay at 1$. Until now it never happened, that I got
out for a locales less than twice as much as I paid, when I bought it at the
regular price. Depending from my absolute buying per gram price, I get out
in most cases 3-5 times my buying price, my personal best is 22times.

That's why I love ebay as a seller.
Scruples I had initially, but especially in Germany in the last 2 years the
collectors didn't want to buy at my regular prices anymore, but despite they
had my price lists, where they could order the stuff without stress, they
didn't, but whenever I set a piece from my list into ebay, just those
clients, who could read from the list, what my price is, paid 10-200% more.
A funny example: I had a very fresh Ochansk fragment, nice brecciation, I
offered it at 4Euro/g (quite o.k., I checked all dealers prices and average
Ochansk price was 8.5$/g) to two clients. They refused, obviously the price
was not suitable for them. When I wanted to put the piece back in his box,
it slipped out of my hands, a corner broke off. Well, I packed the corner in
a display box, made some photos listed it on ebay.
Next Sunday there a bidding race happened between two bidders. The outcome
for the little Ochansk chunk was incredible 330Euro per gram.
The IDs of the bidders I knew, they were exactly those customers, to whose I
offered Ochansk a week ago at 4 per gram.

But don't mind, I'm not switching totally to ebay, hehe. Collectors will be
able to order also in future at my regular prices from me.

Buckleboo!!
Martin


-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
kenoneill_at_kenoneill.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 23. Juni 2006 23:05
An: Meteorite-List
Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping

Hi all,
I've used www.auctionstealer.com and won many auctions. I have used it to
win approx 100 auctions , it let me down once.

Why use a snipe tool ? As a buyer it gets you a better price because it
tends to stop the bidder, who can't bear losing at any cost, bidding up just
to beat you and paying over the odds to have the satisfaction of winning.

Using snipe tools to stop overzealous bidders is not really what the seller
wants, but the facts are a buyer wants the lowest price and will, given the
opprtunity, seek the means to achieve this. Whereas the seller wants the
highest price and will look to increase their profit margin whatever way
they can, you won't be in business for long by giving the stuff away.

Bidding your sniped price early will more often lead to you losing the
auction. If you don't believe me put it to the test.

Sniping saves the buyer money and wins more auctions.

Ken


-----Original Message-----
From: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of harlan
trammell
Sent: 23 June 2006 16:19
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay sniping


EBAY PRO'S - can anybody recommend a spot-on reliable, one-shot, one-kill
sniping service? i am loosing ebay auctions with auctionsniper.com (it does
not bid late enough and somebody swoops in after my snipe is entered by
auctionsniper , and THEY take the item).



i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of
storage). please cc to: bigpineartifacts_at_yahoo.com


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