[meteorite-list] Sale: LUNARMETEORITE.COM Domain name forsaleonEbay

From: David & Kitt Deyarmin <bobadebt_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat Jun 17 21:47:51 2006
Message-ID: <013d01c69279$32de10b0$07281918_at_David>

After reading this I now know that you have zero understanding of ebays
policies and are just postulating to obviously protect Mike, for reasons I
don't yet understand

Before you make the wrong assumptions about ebays policies please spend more
time trying to understand them.

I have over 500 positive feedbacks and 2 negatives, both of which were from
sellers in retaliation for negative feedback I posted to their account.

I have been rated as a Power Seller several times and I know the ins and
outs of ebay.

Darren did nothing wrong in posting Mikes completed auctions, the
information is readily available to anyone that uses ebay.

Mike sells most of his domain names cheap yet he asked a ridiculous price
for LUNARMETEORITE.COM

Yet you think that is fine.

I would like to know who this Mike is so I can be sure to avoid him in the
future.

Does anyone know who he is?


BTW: My name is David, not Bob, yet another incorrect assumption on your
part.

Something to think about: If someone got away with selling child related
pornography on eBay and if he had a 100% positive feedback rating would that
make it ok???





----- Original Message -----
From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale: LUNARMETEORITE.COM Domain name
forsaleonEbay


Bobadebt wrote:

Bob you appear to disagree with my post. While I am sympathetic to your
points and more so, to your morals, I shall defend my rationale that you
publicly question which has nothing to do with moral views and I intend to
keep it
that way.

<<There is nothing in eBays rules about listing any sellers current
auctions
at other venues such as forums and email lists.>>

Probably right. Keep in mind that the member being defamed by harvesting
information from the eBay site and publishing it in this public discussion
forum has 100% positive feedback including HUNDREDS of distinct positives.
How
common is 100% feedback? This guy is doing something right. It seems his
alledged "web-squatting" customers and suppliers are 100% satisfied.
Please
reflect on that. Now he choses to advertise here and you would like to
ignore
his eBay certified rating. I think he is probably just a nice guy trying
to
find a way to make a few bucks in this cruel world, and is probably excited
about selling as the next guy. There are some real bargains on his omain
names
did you see? He can claim he is being creative and inventing names while
being derided as a cybersquatter and more importantly worse terms I won't
repeat.

On the other hand neither you nor the original alarmed poster have
mentioned
ever doing business with this person yet you feel more qualified than all
of
those customers to libel the seller and drag the list through it like I am
doing now in defending my point of view as a reflex. You confuse this
issue
by discussing the legality of posting current auctions. That is an
incorrect
description of this case. The link posted included the user's prior
auctions, which requires entering an eBay userID and is not information
available to
the general public. Whether posting the past auctions is against eBay user
rules or not is gray and would be interpreted probably on a case by case
basis
according to the EBay Community Values. It is prohibited for members to
copy, reproduce, modify, create derivative works from, distribute, or
publicly
display any content (except for Your Information) from the Site without the
prior expressed written permission of eBay and the appropriate third party,
as
applicable; I think it is clear, but I'll still say it is a "probable
violation" to be friendly.

<<The really important question is how did this "Mike" person access this
list? It obvious that he has no real interst in meteorites.>>

NNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAA. (NO) You ASSUME this. He has purchased meteorites
since
at least five years ago from several respected dealers. How does this
compare with your seniority as an aficionado? That fact is the only one I
used to
base make all of my supportive comments and the only really important
question.

<<I checked his completed auctions and he has sold other meteorite related
web
sites and he has even stolen a picture from a real meteorite dealer, check
out aution number 6636007627>>

Interesting. What kind of feedback did he get? This is an attractive
assumption if we were in 16th century Spain. While it could prove true,
we've
seen several instances on the list of gossip and suspicions backfire on
great
list members during momentary careless lapses. Why don't you advise the
only
potentially injured party and let them take appropriate measures, by
reporting
it to the owner of the image, rather than spamming the rumor mill where you
are jumping to defamatory conclusions?

<<So some people should re-direct thier anger in the proper direction.>>

I don't know if you are referring to others with this comment, but you
replied to my post. Such is life, many individuals disagree and some take
the
disagreements pesonally by attaching phantom emotions and then we rumble.
You
say tomato and I say jitomate (xictomatl). Of course, I'm right:-), but
I'm
anything but angry. And I think others have the right to express a bit of
outrage for being subjected to so much redundant profanity at once on the
list
as was so agressively posted. And then we get back to the point made by a
sage poster on why so many valuable list members have left the current
pirhana
infested list.

Saludos and my respects, Doug









----- Original Message -----
From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com
To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale: LUNARMETEORITE.COM Domain name
forsaleonEbay


Sterling and Rob voted:

<<the seller had already posted to the List. In other words, D-----
took the effort to check into the seller's practices
and provide a warning with the interests of List
members in mind, as a community service, and
for their benefit.>>

Just a personal thought and no more, Rob and Sterling: Imagine ... if
"public service" and public servants you defend stopped, since such
trolling for
skeletons has its consequences as does the invasion of privacy, both for
the
poster and for the health and dynamics of the list. Discretion may not be
encouraged for posting but life would be so nice if people would consider
it more
often.

The only potential illegality I see is that the follow up poster may have
used his eBay ID to hunt witches, found a few, judged them and executed
sentence, and in the process most probably violated his eBay user agreement
by
publishing them in the public web archives. I must vote overwhelminglyn
for Walt
and John and thank them for their mature and attempt at discrete posts vs.
the others I have seen for those who thought this issue was dead after the
initial incursion into the seller's privacy.

Sincerely yours,
A concerned Sucker for meteorites
Doug

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