[meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update

From: John Birdsell <johnbirdsell_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Feb 15 01:17:36 2006
Message-ID: <20060215061735.38073.qmail_at_web51502.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes Adam...whatever you say...


Hey Dean, I think this must correspond to your Rule
#3, what do you think?


Cheers


-John



--- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:

> John and List,
>
> This string is getting old. I have not updated my
> auctions and did not
> pretend to know about all of the pairings. I stated
> these exact phrases in
> my auctions:
>
> "Since it's publication a few more have come out of
> Oman and Northwest
> Africa including the pairings to this one."
>
> "A Total Known Weight (TKW) of 77 grams is recorded
> for NWA 2989. This
> weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not
> have accurate figures."
>
> How much more can be said? There is still no
> consensus on TKW of all of the
> pairings, if indeed they are paired. looks like you
> got caught with your
> pants down, being guilty of what you are accusing me
> of. It seems that the
> pairings to this might have been misreported from
> the beginning which is not
> my problem. NWA 2989 is clean with an accurate
> weight reported. It is up
> to dealers to police themselves. I only report what
> I know to be accurate.
>
> Time to walk on this tired "Sting"
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Birdsell" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW
> Update
>
>
> > Dear Adam. Please stop trying to place the blame
> for
> > your problems elsewhere. If you had read our
> website
> > before we updated it, we clearly stated that "NWA
> 2714
> > comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656."
> This
> > is what the classifying scientist stated in his
> write
> > up. We didn't tell him that, he told us. We also
> > didn't try to pretend that there was only a few
> grams
> > of this Acapulcoite like a certain other dealer we
> > know. We clearly stated that there was 7.5 kg of
> this
> > Acapulcoite. According to the Met Base, 7.5kg was
> the
> > TKW of the Acapulcoite when you made your ebay
> > listings. In fact, 7.5kg was the TKW of the
> > Acapulcoite until a few hours ago when Stan
> clarified
> > the situation with NWA 2656 on this list. Now,
> with
> > the recent additions by list members the TKW for
> this
> > Acapulcoite stands at over 10kg. The real question
> > here is why didn't you report the TKW in your ebay
> > listings and why are your current ebay ads are
> still
> > running with the incorrect information? Come on
> Adam.
> > Don't you think your customers deserve to know the
> > truth about how much of your "Ultra Rare
> Acapulcoite"
> > there is out there?
> >
> >
> > Good night
> >
> >
> > -John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > This does not explain why you had no weight
> listed
> > > at all on your web-site
> > > according to the cached version in google.com
> which
> > > is only one day old if
> > > you knew there was 1,666 grams plus a 7.5
> kilogram
> > > stone. You asked me to
> > > back up my claims with pictures and said you
> were
> > > curious because I didn't
> > > report an unknown and unreported mass weight. It
> > > seems you are guilty of the
> > > same thing to a larger extent even though you
> > > apparently knew more than I
> > > did when this string started. Here is your
> statement
> > > putting me under the
> > > thumb-screws. Can we ask you the same questions?
> > >
> > > ****************************
> > > Did the write up describe it as a whole stone?
> Is it
> > > surrounded by fusion
> > > crust like a whole stone? If so, could you
> > > maybe post some pics for the list?
> > >
> > > We were just curious, because in your ebay ad
> you
> > > stated that you didn't
> > > have any accurate figures on the TKW of
> pairings,
> > > and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg
> > > has been publicly available on the internet for
> > > months now, and in the
> > > Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the
> > > following:
> > > *****************************
> > >
> > > I will ask Jim Witke about the reported weight
> of
> > > NWA 2714 which stands at
> > > 100 grams since he is a stickler for accuracy.
> Still
> > > waiting to hear why you
> > > recently added the weight to your web-site when
> it
> > > was not there before this
> > > "string" started or should I state "Sting"?
> > >
> > > Take Care,
> > >
> > > Adam
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Birdsell" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>;
> > > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite
> TKW
> > > Update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your
> > > confusion
> > > > over all of the different TKW's reported. That
> is
> > > why
> > > > we are attempting to clarify this issue once
> and
> > > for
> > > > all. The important thing to note is that the
> TKW
> > > now
> > > > stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will
> eventually
> > > > need to be corrected as will the provisional
> Met
> > > > Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted
> out.
> > > The
> > > > TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According
> to
> > > the
> > > > classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from
> the
> > > > 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be
> wholly
> > > > accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's portions.
> > > > Therefore, since that obviously is incorrect,
> our
> > > 1666
> > > > grams of NWA 2714 either came from a larger
> stone
> > > that
> > > > was broken into fragments which were then sold
> to
> > > > Stan, Nelson, us, some others and perhaps you,
> or
> > > > perhaps it was a separate individual (I doubt
> the
> > > > latter). We try to keep our website updated to
> > > reflect
> > > > the new TKW as we understood it 40 minutes
> ago. Of
> > > > course we will now need to further update it
> once
>
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Received on Wed 15 Feb 2006 01:17:35 AM PST