[meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Feb 15 01:04:17 2006
Message-ID: <01b301c631f5$c4e61780$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

John and List,

This string is getting old. I have not updated my auctions and did not
pretend to know about all of the pairings. I stated these exact phrases in
my auctions:

"Since it's publication a few more have come out of Oman and Northwest
Africa including the pairings to this one."

"A Total Known Weight (TKW) of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This
weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures."

How much more can be said? There is still no consensus on TKW of all of the
pairings, if indeed they are paired. looks like you got caught with your
pants down, being guilty of what you are accusing me of. It seems that the
pairings to this might have been misreported from the beginning which is not
my problem. NWA 2989 is clean with an accurate weight reported. It is up
to dealers to police themselves. I only report what I know to be accurate.

Time to walk on this tired "Sting"

Adam



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Birdsell" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update


> Dear Adam. Please stop trying to place the blame for
> your problems elsewhere. If you had read our website
> before we updated it, we clearly stated that "NWA 2714
> comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656." This
> is what the classifying scientist stated in his write
> up. We didn't tell him that, he told us. We also
> didn't try to pretend that there was only a few grams
> of this Acapulcoite like a certain other dealer we
> know. We clearly stated that there was 7.5 kg of this
> Acapulcoite. According to the Met Base, 7.5kg was the
> TKW of the Acapulcoite when you made your ebay
> listings. In fact, 7.5kg was the TKW of the
> Acapulcoite until a few hours ago when Stan clarified
> the situation with NWA 2656 on this list. Now, with
> the recent additions by list members the TKW for this
> Acapulcoite stands at over 10kg. The real question
> here is why didn't you report the TKW in your ebay
> listings and why are your current ebay ads are still
> running with the incorrect information? Come on Adam.
> Don't you think your customers deserve to know the
> truth about how much of your "Ultra Rare Acapulcoite"
> there is out there?
>
>
> Good night
>
>
> -John
>
>
>
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > This does not explain why you had no weight listed
> > at all on your web-site
> > according to the cached version in google.com which
> > is only one day old if
> > you knew there was 1,666 grams plus a 7.5 kilogram
> > stone. You asked me to
> > back up my claims with pictures and said you were
> > curious because I didn't
> > report an unknown and unreported mass weight. It
> > seems you are guilty of the
> > same thing to a larger extent even though you
> > apparently knew more than I
> > did when this string started. Here is your statement
> > putting me under the
> > thumb-screws. Can we ask you the same questions?
> >
> > ****************************
> > Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it
> > surrounded by fusion
> > crust like a whole stone? If so, could you
> > maybe post some pics for the list?
> >
> > We were just curious, because in your ebay ad you
> > stated that you didn't
> > have any accurate figures on the TKW of pairings,
> > and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg
> > has been publicly available on the internet for
> > months now, and in the
> > Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the
> > following:
> > *****************************
> >
> > I will ask Jim Witke about the reported weight of
> > NWA 2714 which stands at
> > 100 grams since he is a stickler for accuracy. Still
> > waiting to hear why you
> > recently added the weight to your web-site when it
> > was not there before this
> > "string" started or should I state "Sting"?
> >
> > Take Care,
> >
> > Adam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Birdsell" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> > To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>;
> > <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW
> > Update
> >
> >
> > > Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your
> > confusion
> > > over all of the different TKW's reported. That is
> > why
> > > we are attempting to clarify this issue once and
> > for
> > > all. The important thing to note is that the TKW
> > now
> > > stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will eventually
> > > need to be corrected as will the provisional Met
> > > Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted out.
> > The
> > > TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According to
> > the
> > > classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from the
> > > 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be wholly
> > > accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's portions.
> > > Therefore, since that obviously is incorrect, our
> > 1666
> > > grams of NWA 2714 either came from a larger stone
> > that
> > > was broken into fragments which were then sold to
> > > Stan, Nelson, us, some others and perhaps you, or
> > > perhaps it was a separate individual (I doubt the
> > > latter). We try to keep our website updated to
> > reflect
> > > the new TKW as we understood it 40 minutes ago. Of
> > > course we will now need to further update it once
> > we
> > > tabulate the additional masses of other pairings
> > > kindly provided to us by list members. We'll be
> > happy
> > > to share this total with you once we get it so
> > that
> > > you can update your ebay auctions too, but for now
> > I
> > > think it is safe to say there is more than 10kg of
> > > this beautiful material in existance. It is
> > important
> > > to properly report the TKW so that the collectors
> > know
> > > the facts as we currently understand them.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > >
> > > -John
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear John and List,
> > > >
> > > > I applaud trying to nail down the TKW but as
> > Stan
> > > > stated NWA 2656 was
> > > > divided among two owners. I was not supplied by
> > > > either one of them. You
> > > > claim NWA 2714 with a reported TKW of 100 grams
> > > > according to NAU's documents
> > > > was part of this same mass. Stan claims it was
> > > > divided between Nelson Oaks
> > > > and himself with a claimed weight 386 grams. Now
> > you
> > > > claim the weight of NWA
> > > > 2714 is 1,666 grams on your recently updated
> > > > web-site. The cached website
> > > > results for your site from google make no
> > mention of
> > > > the weight. It was
> > > > brought in to question whether my stone was a
> > > > fragment of this one and I
> > > > responded it was not. I was then dragged through
> > the
> > > > ringer on TKWs which
> > > > make absolutely no sense since parts of the same
> > > > stone have been claimed
> > > > under different numbers. Since I had to explain
> > my
> > > > position, maybe you can
> > > > explain the website discrepancy and the 100 gram
> > > > recorded weight on NAU's
> > > > site below. I am sure everybody would like to
> > know
> > > > about NWA 2714.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/PrimitiveAchondrite.html
> > > >
> > > > I was sincere in my statements regarding the
> > nature
> > > > of tracking TKWs on
> > > > pairings. As you can see, this is a mess!
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > Adam Hupe
> > > > The Hupe Collection
> > > > Team LunarRock
> > > > IMCA 2185
> > > > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Birdsell" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "stan ." <laser_maniac_at_hotmail.com>;
> > > > <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:39 PM
> > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW
> > Update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Stan and thanks for your email. Ok, I think
> > > > that
> > > > > this Acapulcoite TKW thing really needs to get
> > > > nailed
> > > > > down before the next Met Bulletin comes out.
> > Can
> > > > > everyone that has a significant amount of this
> > > > > material write us either on or off list so
> > that we
> > > > can
> > > > > add up all of the pieces and get the correct
> > TKW.
> > > > > Stan, am I correct in assuming that between
> > you
> > > > and
> > > > > Nelson, you had 7500 grams of NWA 2656? We had
> > > > 1666
> > > > > grams of NWA 2714, so that brings the TKW
> > weight
> > > > up to
> > > > > at least 9166 grams, plus Adam's 77 grams =
> > 9243
> > > > > grams...Any more out there?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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