[meteorite-list] An open message to all list members

From: Dave Carothers <david.carothers_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sun Aug 27 15:09:34 2006
Message-ID: <063b01c6ca0c$46f138f0$6401a8c0_at_WINBOOKJ>

To all list members,



I?m sure most of you have seen my emails relating to the misrepresentations
and falsehoods perpetrated by Steve (Chicago) Arnold in his ads and posts.
First of all, let me apologize to the list membership for making these
emails public and in effect, loading up your mailboxes. I believe there is
good reason, however, for making these emails public. It is for that reason
I felt I should explain some of the background issues and provide my
rationale below.



Everyone on this list has invested a lot of time, effort, and most
importantly, money in their respective meteorite collections. I personally
take great umbrage at anyone who would jeopardize my collection, either
directly or indirectly, by casting ANY doubt on ANY facet or aspect of
collecting meteorites. The process of buying and selling meteorites and the
specimens themselves ALL have to be genuine and above reproach at ALL times



We also have a number of list members who make their living by selling
meteorites. I won?t even begin to speak for them, but I?ve seen several of
these folks get down and dirty at any potential threat to their livelihood?.
and rightfully so.



My issue with Steve (Chicago) Arnold is that he just doesn?t care what he
puts in his ads. In July, when I first caught his ads containing
misrepresentations and falsehoods, he told me:





?WHAT IS IT TO YOU?? MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.?





I ask you all?. What kind of reply is that? What does that tell you about
Steve (Chicago) Arnold?s integrity and morals?



Today, I noticed a misrepresentation on one of his eBay sales and mentioned
it on the list (as I previously promised I would --- see below). Again, I
received these rather disturbing comments from Steve.





?I REALLY WISH YOU WOULD STOP HARRASING ME ABOUT THIS PETTY BULL****.?
[replaced with * so as to not offend]



?I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE CONTINOUSLY HARRISING ME FOR NO REASON.?



?IT IS NOT YOUR PURPOSE IN LIFE TO POLICE ME OR EBAY,OR ANYONE ELSE IN THIS
WORLD EXCEPT YOURSELF.ENOUGH OF THIS BULL****.? [replaced with * so as to
not offend]





I?m sorry, but if anyone thinks that perpetrating misrepresentations and
falsehoods when selling meteorites is ?PETTY BULL****? or that calling it to
his attention is ?HARRISING ME FOR NO REASON? then WE as a community have
REAL problems. This poor pathetic act of his is a scam. I invite all list
members to go back to the archives and look at Steve?s MO. If anyone
catches him doing something he shouldn?t, he immediate screams that he is
being harassed.



OK, so why am I getting involved in this? I see Steve (Chicago) Arnold as a
direct threat to this great hobby (and in some cases, livelihood) of ours
and also more specifically to the time, effort, and money I?ve invested in
my collection. As I told Steve several weeks ago:





?You're a dangerous person, Steve. You're a danger to any and ALL
legitimate dealers, sellers, and collectors of meteorites. You're like the
auto industry back 40-50 years ago. They used to misrepresent and make
false claims about the safety of their vehicles and then, along came a man
named Nader.



I gave you fair warning in two previous emails that I was 1) going to make
it my business "MAKING SURE UNSUSPECTING POTENTIAL BUYERS ARE AWARE OF YOUR
LIES" and 2) "any recurrence will again be brought out in a public forum".



You now have my undivided attention. I've going to be your own personal
Ralph Nader. Every time you post a misleading/untruthful/fraudulent ad, I'm
going to expose it... publicly. You're a loose canon on deck and someone
needs to expose you for what you are.?





I told Steve today, that he could stop my posts if he would just stop the
misrepresentations and falsehoods.



Some of you might be thinking that I?m just picking on Steve. Well, in all
honesty, I?ve gone after several other sellers on eBay who have done the
same thing (and I'll continue to do so). The responses I got back from them
was typically something like? Oh, I?m sorry. I made a mistake and will
correct it immediately. Watching these individuals over time and you don?t
see a recurrence. In other words, it was a one-time, honest mistake. Steve
(Chicago) Arnold has my undivided attention because he does this repeatedly
and responds with comments like ?WHAT IS IT TO YOU?? MIND YOUR OWN
BUSINESS.?



Again, I apologize to all list members for these emails. I?m hoping the
publicity and peer pressure will convince Steve (Chicago) Arnold develop a
different set of morals.
Received on Sun 27 Aug 2006 03:09:09 PM PDT