[meteorite-list] OT: five-pointed stars vs six-pointed stars

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Sep 13 19:21:58 2005
Message-ID: <00cb01c5b8bb$6c9004a0$6389fea9_at_9y6y40j>

Hola,

and the six-pointed star is the symbol of the brewers. As it is composed by
the triangle with point down, symbol of water, and the triangle with the tip
up, fire. Skol.

Need the raised fingers from those, who will meet with da beer in Munich on
Friday!
Martin

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: five-pointed stars vs six-pointed stars


> Hola,
>
> My inclination is just based on SIMPLICITY and PERFECTION with a little
awe
> from peasants admiring the intellectuals.
>
> The five pointed star has a much more robust history than being explained
> away so offhandedly (and incorrectly regarding its origin) as the five
elements
> of alchemy (or more graciously the Greeks' five elements). I would think
> that Alexander of Macedonia under the great Greek tutors like Aristotle
bridged
> the awe of the ancients with his golden chestplate logo symbol (five
pointed
> star) to the modern world. He dreamed of folding Persia into his Greek
> empire and no doubt Greek intellectuals attributed the 5-pointer to
Mesopotamia -
> that was Alexander's style when melding cultures. Pythagoras ( a couple
> hundred years earlier) wrote about the characteristics of the 5-pointer,
which
> has two important characteristics:
>
> 1. It is the simplest astersketch that doesn't require the quill to be
> removed from the parchament resulting in a perfectly symmetric sketch
easily done
> by a child - making a very powerful argument for perfection that anyone
can
> draw.
> 2. It's geometrical proportions reporduce the golden ratio that
Pythagoras
> _et. al._ and contemporaries, and then later DaVinci were so inspired
with -
> called golden for the perfection of nature. The proportion is the same
one
> as in the Golden Rectangle and apparent in ammonites, nautili, rabbit
> reproduction, as well as arguably human physical beauty, and many other
places you
> can look. The Golden Proportion is found as follows in the five pointed
star
> by simply taking the ratio of the
>
> A six-pointed star is drawn most easily by two superimposed equilateral
> triangles and has other arguments of perfection. But it has no irrational
> numbers, or pleasing ratios like the golden proportion and does require
two
> separate strokes. Pythagoras, a great influence on Aristotle and the rest
of the
> intellectual pantheon and his school also found that, just like the
famous
> golden rectangle with the same proportion, the three isoceles triangles
of the
> five pointed star via bisecting the base angles could be made into an
> infiinitely repeating triangle of those proportions terroriferically
excitingly - with
> the golden proportion falling out. So the mathematicians had a lot to be
> occupied about. The were revered, sometimes secretive and planted the
seeds
> for the mystics...who were originally just intellectuals following in
their
> footsteps as the ages darkened.
>
> Of course, Christianity couldn't have a competitive symbol to the cross
so
> you were persecuted for using it and no doubt it turned into a witchhunt
in
> the Inquisition. But the devil and evil and other stupidity attributed
to the
> five-pinted star whether inscribed in a pentagon or upside down or in the
> missionary position or whatever is more of a recent product of cults
desperately
> trying to appropiate an icon that expresses power knowledge and the
> rebellous side. But really this devil nonesense couldn't be much more
than 100-200
> years old for the golden symbol of perfection. And the USA making the
central
> war waging facility called the "Pentagon" probably gave it an extra
ominous
> push...So chalk up the evilness to the church monopoly and teachings
about
> other icons.
>
> As the six-pointed star was appropiated by King Solomon, and generally
had a
> more respected patent protection since it had less fun mathematics behind
it
> and turned on the Pythagoreans much less...and through the ages, the
quest
> for the most simple perfect icon (whether for Alexander or, good one,
> Mercedes:) ) has been contentious, all kinds of symbolism from the head
and four
> limbs being a crucified man, toi the elements to the mountains of of the
> Templars, to the five known wanderer planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars,
Jupiter, Saturn),
> bla bla bla, we can find as many meanings as we want for different
> compassionate or witchy companies through the ages if you like Freemason
Egyptian
> Mesopotamian stuff, persecutions for competion from the cross, etc. Even
in
> Chinese numismatics - thanks for the trivia, Dirk..., or in the US 18th
century
> Freemason intellectualism.
>
> But as a symbol the power (=>godliness and the heavens where
constellations
> were rewards for heroic ascentions) of the five pointer is in the golden
> ratio, its golden triangles, and the ability to draw it without lifting
the pen,
> and play with the geometry for the all its entertainment value --- and
then
> that the first World conquerer picked it because he hung with the
intellectual
> crowd as a kid and was obsessed with the lands where the five pointer was
> first used - as previously pointed out - not to represent heavenly
bodies, but
> rather the fusion of math, biology (creation) and art...
>
> Saludos, Doug
>
> Dirk R. wrote:
> Nick and List,
> I have done some further digging. The five pointed
> stars represent the five elements of alchemy, water,
> wind, fire, wood, stone in different forms.
> The center of the star representing the Earth.
> Both forms contain symbols that are not apparent to
> most of the the modern world. Thanks for you kind
> reply.
> As a side note: The ancient Chinese used the circle
> to represent Heaven and the square, Earth (this is the
> reason that ancient Chinese coins had a square hole
> in their center).
> Dirk...Tokyo
>
> --- Nicholas Gessler <gessler_at_ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dirk,
> > Or four or seven points?
> > Or pointy stars: 3 points for Mercedes, 5 points
> > for Chrysler?
> > Or no points, as our sky atlases depict?
> > Are you deconstructing artists' renderings of the
> > heavens and meteorite falls?
> > Or any number of points depending on which camera
> > filter we choose to use?
> > Independent invention?
> > Random variation?
> > The wish to have a different sort of star from the
> > other folks?
> > 5-points is demonic only if the point is down.
> > Star-struck,
> > Nick
>
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