[meteorite-list] OT: five-pointed stars vs six-pointed stars

From: Alexander Seidel <gsac_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Sep 13 16:03:06 2005
Message-ID: <720.1126641782_at_www2.gmx.net>

A bit more reading about the five pointed star:
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/28/2825.html

Did not any of us learn to draw an 8-pointed star
with 8 straight lines in early childhood..?? Like
the famous house with 8 straight lines without
lifting the pen?

Alex

> Hi All,
>
> In case anyone missed the picture, Anne Black captured a rare moment
> when two different Nininger Stars intersected in time and space. At
> The Peoples' Auction in Tucson, for just an instant, both a five and a
> six pointed Nininiger star shared the same camera lens. Here is a link
> to that famous photo when it appeared in the February 13 Rocks from
> Space Picture of the Day.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Feb13.html
>
> Happy viewing.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> On 9/13/05, MexicoDoug_at_aol.com <MexicoDoug@aol.com> wrote:
> > Hola,
> >
> > My inclination is just based on SIMPLICITY and PERFECTION with a little
> awe
> > from peasants admiring the intellectuals.
> >
> > The five pointed star has a much more robust history than being
> explained
> > away so offhandedly (and incorrectly regarding its origin) as the five
> elements
> > of alchemy (or more graciously the Greeks' five elements). I would
> think
> > that Alexander of Macedonia under the great Greek tutors like Aristotle
> bridged
> > the awe of the ancients with his golden chestplate logo symbol (five
> pointed
> > star) to the modern world. He dreamed of folding Persia into his Greek
> > empire and no doubt Greek intellectuals attributed the 5-pointer to
> Mesopotamia -
> > that was Alexander's style when melding cultures. Pythagoras ( a
> couple
> > hundred years earlier) wrote about the characteristics of the
> 5-pointer, which
> > has two important characteristics:
> >
> > 1. It is the simplest astersketch that doesn't require the quill to be
> > removed from the parchament resulting in a perfectly symmetric sketch
> easily done
> > by a child - making a very powerful argument for perfection that anyone
> can
> > draw.
> > 2. It's geometrical proportions reporduce the golden ratio that
> Pythagoras
> > _et. al._ and contemporaries, and then later DaVinci were so inspired
> with -
> > called golden for the perfection of nature. The proportion is the same
> one
> > as in the Golden Rectangle and apparent in ammonites, nautili, rabbit
> > reproduction, as well as arguably human physical beauty, and many other
> places you
> > can look. The Golden Proportion is found as follows in the five
> pointed star
> > by simply taking the ratio of the
> >
> > A six-pointed star is drawn most easily by two superimposed equilateral
> > triangles and has other arguments of perfection. But it has no
> irrational
> > numbers, or pleasing ratios like the golden proportion and does require
> two
> > separate strokes. Pythagoras, a great influence on Aristotle and the
> rest of the
> > intellectual pantheon and his school also found that, just like the
> famous
> > golden rectangle with the same proportion, the three isoceles triangles
> of the
> > five pointed star via bisecting the base angles could be made into an
> > infiinitely repeating triangle of those proportions terroriferically
> excitingly - with
> > the golden proportion falling out. So the mathematicians had a lot to
> be
> > occupied about. The were revered, sometimes secretive and planted the
> seeds
> > for the mystics...who were originally just intellectuals following in
> their
> > footsteps as the ages darkened.
> >
> > Of course, Christianity couldn't have a competitive symbol to the cross
> so
> > you were persecuted for using it and no doubt it turned into a
> witchhunt in
> > the Inquisition. But the devil and evil and other stupidity attributed
> to the
> > five-pinted star whether inscribed in a pentagon or upside down or in
> the
> > missionary position or whatever is more of a recent product of cults
> desperately
> > trying to appropiate an icon that expresses power knowledge and the
> > rebellous side. But really this devil nonesense couldn't be much more
> than 100-200
> > years old for the golden symbol of perfection. And the USA making the
> central
> > war waging facility called the "Pentagon" probably gave it an extra
> ominous
> > push...So chalk up the evilness to the church monopoly and teachings
> about
> > other icons.
> >
> > As the six-pointed star was appropiated by King Solomon, and generally
> had a
> > more respected patent protection since it had less fun mathematics
> behind it
> > and turned on the Pythagoreans much less...and through the ages, the
> quest
> > for the most simple perfect icon (whether for Alexander or, good one,
> > Mercedes:) ) has been contentious, all kinds of symbolism from the head
> and four
> > limbs being a crucified man, toi the elements to the mountains of of
> the
> > Templars, to the five known wanderer planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars,
> Jupiter, Saturn),
> > bla bla bla, we can find as many meanings as we want for different
> > compassionate or witchy companies through the ages if you like
> Freemason Egyptian
> > Mesopotamian stuff, persecutions for competion from the cross, etc.
> Even in
> > Chinese numismatics - thanks for the trivia, Dirk..., or in the US 18th
> century
> > Freemason intellectualism.
> >
> > But as a symbol the power (=>godliness and the heavens where
> constellations
> > were rewards for heroic ascentions) of the five pointer is in the
> golden
> > ratio, its golden triangles, and the ability to draw it without lifting
> the pen,
> > and play with the geometry for the all its entertainment value --- and
> then
> > that the first World conquerer picked it because he hung with the
> intellectual
> > crowd as a kid and was obsessed with the lands where the five pointer
> was
> > first used - as previously pointed out - not to represent heavenly
> bodies, but
> > rather the fusion of math, biology (creation) and art...
> >
> > Saludos, Doug
> >
> > Dirk R. wrote:
> > Nick and List,
> > I have done some further digging. The five pointed
> > stars represent the five elements of alchemy, water,
> > wind, fire, wood, stone in different forms.
> > The center of the star representing the Earth.
> > Both forms contain symbols that are not apparent to
> > most of the the modern world. Thanks for you kind
> > reply.
> > As a side note: The ancient Chinese used the circle
> > to represent Heaven and the square, Earth (this is the
> > reason that ancient Chinese coins had a square hole
> > in their center).
> > Dirk...Tokyo
> >
> > --- Nicholas Gessler <gessler_at_ucla.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Dirk,
> > > Or four or seven points?
> > > Or pointy stars: 3 points for Mercedes, 5 points
> > > for Chrysler?
> > > Or no points, as our sky atlases depict?
> > > Are you deconstructing artists' renderings of the
> > > heavens and meteorite falls?
> > > Or any number of points depending on which camera
> > > filter we choose to use?
> > > Independent invention?
> > > Random variation?
> > > The wish to have a different sort of star from the
> > > other folks?
> > > 5-points is demonic only if the point is down.
> > > Star-struck,
> > > Nick
> >
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