[meteorite-list] OT: five-pointed stars vs six-pointed stars

From: Martin Horejsi <accretiondesk_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Sep 13 15:40:39 2005
Message-ID: <9c2f96d20509131240ff000e0_at_mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

In case anyone missed the picture, Anne Black captured a rare moment
when two different Nininger Stars intersected in time and space. At
The Peoples' Auction in Tucson, for just an instant, both a five and a
six pointed Nininiger star shared the same camera lens. Here is a link
to that famous photo when it appeared in the February 13 Rocks from
Space Picture of the Day.

http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Feb13.html

Happy viewing.

Martin



On 9/13/05, MexicoDoug_at_aol.com <MexicoDoug@aol.com> wrote:
> Hola,
>
> My inclination is just based on SIMPLICITY and PERFECTION with a little awe
> from peasants admiring the intellectuals.
>
> The five pointed star has a much more robust history than being explained
> away so offhandedly (and incorrectly regarding its origin) as the five elements
> of alchemy (or more graciously the Greeks' five elements). I would think
> that Alexander of Macedonia under the great Greek tutors like Aristotle bridged
> the awe of the ancients with his golden chestplate logo symbol (five pointed
> star) to the modern world. He dreamed of folding Persia into his Greek
> empire and no doubt Greek intellectuals attributed the 5-pointer to Mesopotamia -
> that was Alexander's style when melding cultures. Pythagoras ( a couple
> hundred years earlier) wrote about the characteristics of the 5-pointer, which
> has two important characteristics:
>
> 1. It is the simplest astersketch that doesn't require the quill to be
> removed from the parchament resulting in a perfectly symmetric sketch easily done
> by a child - making a very powerful argument for perfection that anyone can
> draw.
> 2. It's geometrical proportions reporduce the golden ratio that Pythagoras
> _et. al._ and contemporaries, and then later DaVinci were so inspired with -
> called golden for the perfection of nature. The proportion is the same one
> as in the Golden Rectangle and apparent in ammonites, nautili, rabbit
> reproduction, as well as arguably human physical beauty, and many other places you
> can look. The Golden Proportion is found as follows in the five pointed star
> by simply taking the ratio of the
>
> A six-pointed star is drawn most easily by two superimposed equilateral
> triangles and has other arguments of perfection. But it has no irrational
> numbers, or pleasing ratios like the golden proportion and does require two
> separate strokes. Pythagoras, a great influence on Aristotle and the rest of the
> intellectual pantheon and his school also found that, just like the famous
> golden rectangle with the same proportion, the three isoceles triangles of the
> five pointed star via bisecting the base angles could be made into an
> infiinitely repeating triangle of those proportions terroriferically excitingly - with
> the golden proportion falling out. So the mathematicians had a lot to be
> occupied about. The were revered, sometimes secretive and planted the seeds
> for the mystics...who were originally just intellectuals following in their
> footsteps as the ages darkened.
>
> Of course, Christianity couldn't have a competitive symbol to the cross so
> you were persecuted for using it and no doubt it turned into a witchhunt in
> the Inquisition. But the devil and evil and other stupidity attributed to the
> five-pinted star whether inscribed in a pentagon or upside down or in the
> missionary position or whatever is more of a recent product of cults desperately
> trying to appropiate an icon that expresses power knowledge and the
> rebellous side. But really this devil nonesense couldn't be much more than 100-200
> years old for the golden symbol of perfection. And the USA making the central
> war waging facility called the "Pentagon" probably gave it an extra ominous
> push...So chalk up the evilness to the church monopoly and teachings about
> other icons.
>
> As the six-pointed star was appropiated by King Solomon, and generally had a
> more respected patent protection since it had less fun mathematics behind it
> and turned on the Pythagoreans much less...and through the ages, the quest
> for the most simple perfect icon (whether for Alexander or, good one,
> Mercedes:) ) has been contentious, all kinds of symbolism from the head and four
> limbs being a crucified man, toi the elements to the mountains of of the
> Templars, to the five known wanderer planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn),
> bla bla bla, we can find as many meanings as we want for different
> compassionate or witchy companies through the ages if you like Freemason Egyptian
> Mesopotamian stuff, persecutions for competion from the cross, etc. Even in
> Chinese numismatics - thanks for the trivia, Dirk..., or in the US 18th century
> Freemason intellectualism.
>
> But as a symbol the power (=>godliness and the heavens where constellations
> were rewards for heroic ascentions) of the five pointer is in the golden
> ratio, its golden triangles, and the ability to draw it without lifting the pen,
> and play with the geometry for the all its entertainment value --- and then
> that the first World conquerer picked it because he hung with the intellectual
> crowd as a kid and was obsessed with the lands where the five pointer was
> first used - as previously pointed out - not to represent heavenly bodies, but
> rather the fusion of math, biology (creation) and art...
>
> Saludos, Doug
>
> Dirk R. wrote:
> Nick and List,
> I have done some further digging. The five pointed
> stars represent the five elements of alchemy, water,
> wind, fire, wood, stone in different forms.
> The center of the star representing the Earth.
> Both forms contain symbols that are not apparent to
> most of the the modern world. Thanks for you kind
> reply.
> As a side note: The ancient Chinese used the circle
> to represent Heaven and the square, Earth (this is the
> reason that ancient Chinese coins had a square hole
> in their center).
> Dirk...Tokyo
>
> --- Nicholas Gessler <gessler_at_ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> > Hello Dirk,
> > Or four or seven points?
> > Or pointy stars: 3 points for Mercedes, 5 points
> > for Chrysler?
> > Or no points, as our sky atlases depict?
> > Are you deconstructing artists' renderings of the
> > heavens and meteorite falls?
> > Or any number of points depending on which camera
> > filter we choose to use?
> > Independent invention?
> > Random variation?
> > The wish to have a different sort of star from the
> > other folks?
> > 5-points is demonic only if the point is down.
> > Star-struck,
> > Nick
>
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