[meteorite-list] ...and my Munich notes

From: Meteoriteshow <meteoriteshow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Nov 1 04:09:48 2005
Message-ID: <009101c5dec3$ffb68d70$0400a8c0_at_IBM>

Hi Martin and All,

Thanks very much Martin for your explanations about the M?nich Show! It was very interesting to read and I wish I can make it next
year... For sure I will be in Ensisheim and Ste Marie aux Mines next year in June, as usual since 2002. As I am not a 'meteorite
dealer' but a collector offering some of his finds to other collectors in order to be able to go hunting again, and as I was not
successful in my latest attemps to find new meteorites, I decided not to go to M?nich with the same material as what I had already
this year in Ensisheim & Ste Marie. Let's just hope that I'll have more to show next year!

I will be at the Paris mineral show next December 2 to 4, which is a small show compared to Tucson, M?nich or Ste Marie but not to
far from home, this time with new slices of Tanezrouft 057 that I managed to cut with a wire saw. Some of the slices are 1.5mm thick
only, offering a wonderful wide surface for a very reasonable weight and displaying all the diversity of inclusions that can be
found in this great C4 anomalous (you can see some of them on my website already, I need to work on polishing the last ~260g endcut
that is outstanding, but not already shown...). I should also cut some slices of one of our two CO3s, Acfer 333 for Paris show.

Well, thanks again to Martin for sharing his experience of M?nich show with us and best wishes to all of you!
Kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Altmann" <Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de>
To: <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ...and my Munich notes


> Hidiho too,
>
> my notes about the show are also somewhat short, as I had to run these days
> like a marathon man, so we have to wait for the photos and the notes of the
> other visitors and for the report by Norbert Classen in Joel's meteorite
> magazine.
>
> Mike is right, the Moroccans brought again less stones than last year, which
> is remarkable inasmuch as the real big shortage down to 10% appeared in the
> year before. Now I had the impression, that they brought only a few boxes
> with some nicer W1-chondrites, may it be, because they run indeed dry, may
> it be, that with the average weathered stuff there was no business to do at
> the last show, so that it made more sense for them to bring their fossils,
> minerals & artefacts with them.
> Almost no rare types they had, a few irons (or mesosiderite nodules sold as
> irons) and those kind of that fresher polymict eucrites, which are around
> everywhere at ebay, that's all. Even the ubiquist 869, which represented
> last year quite a share of the unidentified OCs, was difficult to get. The
> prices to start haggling were almost doubled compared to last year.
> Only the specialist Ali Hmani&Junior had a remarkable assortment of desert
> stuff, a nice fist-sized angrite I remember there as an highlight (but the
> price was ways beyond good and evil).
> So Mom&Dean's funny stall was this time the El Dorado for treasure hunters;
> whenever I passed by, I found at least one known enthusiast muck-raking
> through the desks with magnet&magnifier.
> Else worth mentioning was an somewhat larger desert iron at one of the
> Erfoud-boyz, which ought to be cut first, to be indentified, whether it's
> smth new or already known. Wasn't as fresh as Taza or Ziz.
>
> Hehe Mike, there was ONE large Gibeon, which you lose sight of - lying on
> the table of the Sprichs and K?nig.
> An 88kg disk-shaped individual with cool regmaglypts with an enormous gutter
> crossing adding zest to it as an pagan altar for scary ritual acts,
> buckleboo.
> At another half of a table, I forgot the name, there were some rough pieces,
> kg-sized of Gibeon, but that was all.
> Gibeon, in former times more common than Campo - Hans Camposanto Koser,
> charming and polyglot as always, had the full palette of all sizes and
> shapes, some with holes -
> and which was THE main iron like Sikhote in the last 2 years, dissapeared in
> the last 3 years due to the export restrictions.
> Sikhote-Alin was weakly represented, a few boxes, most of them shrapnels.
> For two reasons: the strewnfield isn't productive anymore and several
> Russians, who usually took part in the past, had to stay at home for some
> short time reasons.
> Just as well many regular meteorite exhibitors, like Christian Stehlin,
> Sigfried Haberer or Stefan Ralew didn't show up this year with a stall - has
> to do with the horrendous fees and the mental opstipation of the German
> audience, caused by an artificial hysteria about the
> lame economy, so they rather save every buck than to buy spacerocks.
>
> But also several new sellers joined the show:
> Andrej Andrejew, you know him from the ebay-handle "meteorock", outstandig
> from the Russian style standard ebay repertoire on his table were thin
> slices of the Budulan mesosiderite.
> Andi Hulk Starrockers Gren had a nice display case, with the already
> mentioned Page City fullslice (his perfect etched Zagoras with Neumann lines
> were sold out immediately). He's the PRETZEL SAVIOUR! Generously he paid all
> pretzels, which were forgot to be paid by the attendants on Friday evening
> in the Fliegerbr?u, so we send all our thanks and will buy immediately in
> his "meteorite house" until it's empty.
> The reknown Comet-Shop-Team sent this time only a shortened assortment and
> one representant, also a "Sergej" and a nice person, speaking a good German.
> >From their well known meteorites, I remember (I'm conservative and can keep
> names better in mind than numbers) the new pallasite "Pallasovska" - could
> be there a better name for an PAL?
> Especially glad I was, that this year finally, finally Norbert Kammel in
> person made it to the show. Many were missing the Kammels last year.
> Classical Aussie-names are their domaine, (and they were heftily underpriced
> as always!).
> For the first time in Munich was Slawomir Derecki. If one would have to be
> very severely, he would to be called the only true meteorite jeweler. As an
> skilled, professional jeweler and artist, he is specialized in meteorites,
> excogiting and producing technical high grade pieces of meteorite jewellery
> of special design. Forget about that tumbled meteorite pearls bracelets, the
> plump iron chunks with a thrilled hole on a string or those gilt etched
> irons, where after a year the plating falls offn - if I once need wedding
> rings, I know where I'll let them craft.....
>
> Erich&Sylvia's wonderfull chaotic stall is an institution on the show since
> many years and was mostly besieged from all - hence obviously always good
> for an advantegous purchase.
> Again the crown for rare names and historic falls deserve Achim&Moritz Karl
> & Sergej Vassiliev. It's unbelievable what for new old localities they load
> in their show cases each year. This time a variety of rare Australian irons.
> (Was Milly Willy the brother of Mill Billie?)
> But take care the Egers rivalled this year in cutting razorblade thin huge
> iron slices.
>
> Many, many more dealers attended, sorry, I can't mention all.
> Perhaps another prophecy on the brink: The era of the Scherff-cube will be
> replaced by the era of the Buhl-cube.
>
> Where were the deals to be found? Whenever I run into a collector, he or her
> pulled out from the bags (at least I had the impression) either a stone from
> Dean Bessey, whereabout he asked my opinion, or a piece from the Kammels, in
> most cases really excellent Millbillillies - I remember a superb oriented
> complete individual with lipping and flow lines and only one smaller side
> with minor traces of the red clay.
> And indeed, if I hadn't to save my own bucks for another investment, I would
> have bought the complete Kammel-table, I can tell you.
> Hence if I had to award prizes - I would give one to Dean Bessey for the
> most entertaining stall and again, as 3 years ago, the collector's award to
> Norbert&Heike Kammel.
>
> Friday eve, although several had to cancel in last minute or couldn't come
> to Munich, much to their regret, was an success, I think. We were more than
> last year. (Sorry again Dean&Mom, that we had to wait so long for a taxi.
> Was impossible for such a show, I'll instruct the organisators of the fair,
> that it won't happen again).
> As there aren't even much events throughout the year, were so many meteorite
> people arrive, I think, the Friday evening definetely will be now a jour
> fix, as in my eyes it's a real positive contribution, if we meteorite
> enthusiasts have an opportunity to sit relaxed together, to get to know
> closer and to talk, without the stress on the show, were often the hustle
> and bustle allows only slightly more than a short handshake.
>
> Oops, I forgot to do some Northamerican name-dropping, to encourage more
> collectors&dealers from overseas to come to Munich next year:
> This time visiting the Munich show were Allan Lang, Edwin Thompson, Bob
> Haag, Dean Bessey, Mike Farmer.
> (Mike was a little bit late, but with a valid excuse: In his belly bag he
> had a stone, huuuuuuuuuuuuuuh, the best of that type I'd had in my hands
> ever, but this he have to tell you by his own!).
>
> My personal prey this year was:
> - a huge bar of original Swiss chocolate (thank you, Marc Jost)
> - a fine book from the editor with reference texts to meteorites from all
> cultures and a bottle of wine from the Rochechouart crater (thank you,
> Mathias B?rmann)
> - 2 large cans of Polish beer, Tatra & Okocim, very exotic for me as
> Bavarian (thanks Marcin Cimala)
> - 1 micro of a weird stone, let's wait, what the outcome will be (thanks
> Zdenek Prokopec)
> - 1 invitation to a porc knuckles & beer orgy (thank you Alex Seidel)
> - countless Mojitos, Whisky Sours, ect. (Sanatate Razvan Andrej)
>
> Now it's time for me to diet, Rollin' Rock me....
>
> Buckleboo.
> Martin
>
> PS: Who will be in Gifhorn in May and in Ensisheim in June?
> For Gifhorn we still have to work to gain more popularity
> and, quiet Zelimir,
> Ensisheim is for sure the most lovely meteorite show on the globe.
> The little town, the sun, the concentrate offering, the atmosphere - it's
> like vacation.
> Well worth the journey from overseas - you may combine it with the mineral
> fair of St.Marie-aux-Mines,
> which take place the following weekend only a few miles from Ensisheim, also
> a very fancy and special event and one of the most important mineral shows
> in Europe, many meteorites.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:02 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Munich notes
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > After a hectic two days of perusing the massive Munich show, it is finally
> over, and I will be on my way home tomorrow with a stop in Paris. The
> weather here has been incredible, over 70 degrees and not a cloud in the sky
> the last two days! Very abnormal for Germany at the end of October.
> > The show was interesting, a lot of people who usually set up were not
> here.
> > Some things of note, the Moroccans has virtually NO meteorites, compared
> to last year, there was like 10% what they used to have. Also there was a
> lot of the ?Fuking` Pallasite from China. It was being offered at less than
> 10Euros a gram in large chunks, I saw pieces from 100 grams to 2 kilos.
> Apparently the buyers have divided the massive pallasite up and are now
> going to flood the market. Looks like a good buying opportunity when the
> price collapses. It is beautiful stuff, but with over 900 kilos, coming on
> the market, we know where this goes.
> >
> > There were ZERO large gibeons or Sikhotes, except a couple at Erich
> Haiderer?s always full table. Moritz again had the best display of rare
> material, with Martian, Lunar, Pallasite, and nice irons from Aussie museum
> trades. Hans had the usual rally nice Campos, and Karl Sprich many nice
> Gibeon pieces cut into spheres and cubes.
> >
> > Moldavites are everywhere.
> >
> > I may have broken a planetary record in Morocco, so get your pennies
> rolled and wait for the news.
> >
> > Michael Farmer
> > Munich
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