[meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS

From: Meteoriteshow <meteoriteshow_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Sat May 21 14:12:06 2005
Message-ID: <012601c55e30$966f39c0$0100a8c0_at_IBM>

Hi All,

Mark Bostick wrote:
> Although, as I noted, no one is using Grossman's stage table, which
appears
> to be pretty new and is not posted anywhere on the Met. Soc. Website. Nor
> has it been sent to its members. Grossman also announced he was stepping
> down several months ago, although it is obvious he is still involved. (Hi
> Jeff....:^)

Jeff informed the List about those steps on March 3, 2005 in order to make
it clearer to some List Members who already had different points of view
about "official" names of meteorite, and when it should be considered as
"official".
Those stages do not appear anywhere else as far as I know and I guess they
were just described for the first time.
Here is the full text of Jeff Grossman's e-mail about one of Matteo's
meteorites, kind regards,

Frederic Beroud
http://www.meteoriteshow.com
IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/)

Jeff Grossman wrote on March 3, 2005:
"You don't understand what I'm saying. Maybe others also don't fully
understand the system either. Let me explain the way it is supposed to
work.

1) A new meteorite is characterized in the laboratory
2) The information is submitted to the Nomenclature Committee, usually to
one of the Associate Editors (AEs), but sometimes directly to the Editor.
3) The AE acknowledges receipt of the information and tells you that all is
in order.
4) The AE transfers the information to the Editor of the Bulletin.
5) The Editor assembles information on all meteorites sent in by the AEs
and sends it to the entire NomCom for a vote.
6) The Editor receives the votes and decides if each meteorite has been
approved. The appropriate AE is informed of the decision.
7) The AE tells you either (a) the name is approved or (b) the name did not
pass.
8) For approved meteorites, the text or information you submitted is
eventually edited for publication. You may get an advance copy of this
text, but sometimes not. A provisional Bulletin may appear on the
web. All text at this stage is subject to further revision.
9) The Bulletin is submitted to MAPS for publication. At this point, all
entries are final and can be quoted directly, without qualification.

Your meteorites are at step (4). They have not been approved OR sent out
for a vote. The AE has simply accepted your submission and sent it to the
Editor. Therefore, you cannot say that the text you quote is approved by
the NomCom, nor can you say it will appear in the Bulletin. That depends
on passing step (7). All you can say is that your text has been submitted
to the Bulletin.

Jeff"
----- Original Message -----
From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
To: <MexicoDoug_at_aol.com>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - A FEW DANDYS


> Hello Doug and list,
>
> Yes, we appear to be on the same page.
>
> Although, as I noted, no one is using Grossman's stage table, which
appears
> to be pretty new and is not posted anywhere on the Met. Soc. Website. Nor
> has it been sent to its members. Grossman also announced he was stepping
> down several months ago, although it is obvious he is still involved. (Hi
> Jeff....:^)
>
> And I have also purchased and traded for a lot of meteorites. Yet, no one
> has ever told me a stage number on a meteorite and I have not seen anyone
> sell a meteorite as an "approved name meteorite". We as a group have been
> using "classified meteorite" and "official meteorite" for the most part.
>
> But I do agree and like the stage table. I am not sure having the three
of
> us on the same page means.
>
> I would also say, when you add a bunch of adjectives to your e-mails and
> throw in jokes, that it makes it hard to read what you are really saying.
> Like in your last e-mail you added, which appears to be to me, "...your
word
> approved is slightly ambiguous..."
>
> If we agree with Jeff's table, then it is Jeff's word, and on the example
I
> gave, (KSU) Rhrian Jones used the word "approved" first.
>
> That was likely one of your jokes, but when you add the adjectives a peson
> doesn't really know how to take the meaning. Then again "slightly
> ambiguous" is almost an oxymoron.
>
> On another comment I have seen you make several times publicly, which you
> have a little here, is towards the line that dealers are not giving with
> science. That people have problems getting 20 grams or 20%. I have
never
> seen this to be true. Dealers and collectors understand this is a give
take
> relationship and almost all people give more then required. Plus there
are
> not many of us who have not donated meteorites and the like. Some of us
> have donated quite a lot.
>
> Clear Skies,
> Mark Bostick
> www.meteoritearticles.com
>
>
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Received on Sat 21 May 2005 02:12:02 PM PDT