[meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info

From: Bob Holmes <bobholmes_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue May 17 12:52:24 2005
Message-ID: <005501c55b00$c958ba10$a87de644_at_FOSTER>

Tom ,

I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for
reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks
about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you
can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands,
doing nothing. Further, it seems to me as though they had a new type of
class and wanted to be sure of their results.

That PV was not an ordinary H6 is not an opinion that was yours alone, and
you were part of a vast majority. Instead of patting yourself on the back,
why don't you apologize for your derisive insinuations about those who have
put much time and effort into the study of PV.

Bob Holmes


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Knudson" <peregrineflier_at_npgcable.com>
To: "Robert Woolard" <meteoritefinder_at_yahoo.com>;
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info


> Hi List, back in March of 2004, I made a lot of enemies on the list for
> asking;
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> " I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary
> chondrite because "they" were to lazy to make up a new classification? It
> would seem to me that this unique meteorite deserves it's own group
> instead
> of being shoved into an already existing group.
> I do not feel like we have found every type of meteorite yet, are "they
> going do this with all of them, just sticking them in existing categories,
> or will they make a new one if need be?"
>
> I was called everything from an idiot to a stupid mother $#*&^# by a lot
> of
> people on the list for questioning the classification. I was put in my
> place, never question the scientists, if they said it was a H6 ordinary
> chondrite, then it was!
>
> Just thought it was interesting . : )
>
>
> Thanks, Tom
> peregrineflier <><
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Woolard" <meteoritefinder_at_yahoo.com>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 7:21 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley Classification Info
>
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>> Hello List,
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>> Well for years now, I know a lot of us were puzzled
>> by the classification of Portales Valley as an " H6
>> ordinary chondrite". (See my article in the May 2001
>> issue of Meteorite, titled " Portales Valley - A Not
>> So Ordinary (Ordinary Chondrite??)! " In the recent
>> past, the classification was modified a bit, being
>> changed to read as an " H6 Impact Melt Breccia ".
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>> I am excited to be able to say that there is a
>> distinct chance the true uniqueness of PV may soon be
>> reflected in a possible new moniker for this
>> intriguing meteorite. David Weir was kind enough to
>> make me aware of a new and comprehensive paper by Alex
>> Ruzicka, Marvin Killgore, David Mittlefehldt, and Marc
>> Fries in the current MAPS. In this detailed work, we
>> now have the proposed reclassification of PV as an "
>> H7, metallic-melt breccia (primitive achondrite)",
>> with the case made for a new meteorite type
>> designation of "Portalesite" due to this metallic-melt
>> breccia characteristic.
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>> You can read David's updated description of PV on
>> his excellent website here:
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>> http://www.meteoritestudies.com
>>
>> Many thanks to David for news of this exciting
>> paper, and to the authors of the paper as well.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Robert Woolard
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