[meteorite-list] Mutha Stone

From: Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Dec 30 23:58:44 2005
Message-ID: <033901c60dc6$ad035400$6401a8c0_at_c1720188a>

John and List Members,

First of all, this is the very first time I have talked about Fukang
publicly. If you read the string, you will see that another List member
brought it up first. I have no interest at all in Chinese meteorites. I do
not own a single meteorite from China nor have I ever sold one. My interest
lies in legal fossils, minerals and meteorites. I have a contract with a
startup company whom asks questions first and then purchases later. After
investigating Chinese natural history goods we decided to stay away from
them because, for the most part, they are considered black market (illegal)
by legitimate concerns who will not touch them. What good is a product that
is considered illegal by institutions and museums?

You may want to tell the rest of the List why this is so. Why is it that the
world's largest pallasite, supposedly as beautiful as Esquel is not being
highly promoted by anybody who has any of it? Could it be a problem?

The curious want to know,

Adam





----- Original Message -----
From: "Arizona Skies Meteorites" <johnbirdsell_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mutha Stone


> Hi Adam, that is an interesting question. It is
> interesting because Chinese meteorites have been
> exported from China for decades if not hundreds of
> years. Chinese meteorites have been at all of the gem
> and mineral shows across this country for decades. In
> fact, I would go as far as to bet that every list
> member has a Chinese meteorite or two in their
> collection. How many do you have in your collection
> Adam? I'm curious as to the motive for your sudden
> "interest" in Chinese meteorites. The information that
> we have received from reliable sources in China that
> there aren't any regulations governing the export of
> meteorites from China period. Fossils yes, meteorites
> no. Of course this may change in the future, and we
> have heard from a source in China that some efforts
> are being made by a few to try to start regulating
> meteorites as well. I suspect that your "information"
> is incorrect. Of course, if you could provide the list
> with a written copy of this "specific" legislation
> that you are referring to, I'm sure that we could get
> it translated into english within a day or two, and we
> could all see for ourselves. We would all learn
> something if you would do that for us. In the absence
> of that though, it is difficult to envision why China
> would have a specific "law" to regulate the export of
> Rusty Nantans, which are basically the only meteorite
> that would be exported from China. The fact that all
> of the gem and mineral shows are full of Chinese
> meteorites tends to suggest that there is no such law.
> I find it a bit odd that you'd claim to be interested
> in exporting meteorites from China as there really
> hasn't been much to export from China with the
> exception of rusty old Nantans. Is that what you were
> going to export? Of course there were the five or six
> rare Chinese meteorites such as those on Mike Farmer's
> website, but these are rare, and would be unavialable
> to you. Which Chinese meteorites were you planning on
> exporting Adam?
> We find the amount of b.s. being posted about
> fukang is quite interesting. I guess it must be just
> be jealousy on the part of the dealers that tried
> unsucessfully to purchase it from the finder. I guess
> they figure if they couldn't get it then they would
> try to malign it in an attempt to devalue it. We of
> course lost out too, but we can't fathom the extreme
> enmity that has been directed towards the people that
> ended up puchasing that meteorite-it is really quite
> sad. Adam, you seem to have an inordinate amount of
> interest in fukang. Just out of curiosity, were you
> one of those individuals that tried unsucessfully to
> purchase it? We know of several other list members
> that tried unsucessfully, and now seem to be suffering
> from the sour grape syndrome. Are you also interested
> in Sikhote? I notice that you are selling quite a few
> Sikhotes. Are you also curious about export
> regulations for them too?
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> -John
>
>
>
> --- Adam Hupe <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I only asked because China has specific laws
> prohibiting the export of
> meteorites and fossils. A company I work for was
> interested in bringing
> them
> out legally but China has a no-deal policy, even if
> you represent a
> museum.
>
> No paperwork other than an invoice, a declaration and
> a waybill is
> required
> from Morocco although a well know dealer from Europe
> tried to change
> all of
> this a few years back. He only ended up screwing
> himself in the long
> run.
>
> I ask again, how was a meteorite legally exported from
> China who has
> specific laws against such actions?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> >
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