[meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo

From: Martin Altmann <altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Dec 8 17:13:00 2005
Message-ID: <003401c5fc44$23693400$bec8fea9_at_ns279>

Hi Adam,

I didn't want to doubt, just wanted to have the circumstances,
that the trace elements are almost identical is the natural crux, as
accordingt to them the irons are grouped to the chemical classes. And as
here additionally NWA 849 is said to have silicate inclusions as Campo has
too, but which aren't found in all IABs, I was just curious, to learn about
the provenance!

Best!
Martin


----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo


> Hi List Members,
>
> Martin asked about the similarities between NWA 849 and Campo with this
> statement:
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> And can me someone tell me details about NWA 849 vs. Campo?
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/HB2W.jpg
> Looks so similar and the values are so similar.
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> Coordinates were provided for NWA 849 by the Aronsons of Sahara Overland
> and I believe this piece was studied at UCLA. I am sure if UCLA suspected
> this material was Campo they would have noted this since they run into
Campo
> all time according to an article I read in Meteorite Magazine. I have had
> nothing but honest business dealings with Sahara Overland and have no
reason
> to doubt the meteorites origin. There are a few other high-integrity
dealers
> like the Jensens who also carry NWA 849. IAB Course octahedrites are one
of
> the most common Iron type meteorites out there so the provenance is very
> important.
>
> In the Case of Baygorria, it is my belief that these are all definitely
> paired to Campo del Cielo. The dealers who brought this material to Tucson
> admitted the fraud to Mike Farmer in Spanish which Mike speaks fluently.
Not
> only that, the entry in the Meteoritical Bulletin states that they are
> similar in composition. Given the heterogeneity of iron meteorites and the
> slight differences in calibration of equipment used to study them, I would
> state the original Baygorria consisting of a single stone and Campo del
> Cielo are virtually identical.
>
> All course octahedrites are susceptible to weathering because of the
> relatively low nickel content so this cannot be used to distinguish them
> from one another. Only one Baygorria has ever been submitted for lab work
> and was determined to be similar to Campo del Cielo, everything else is a
> fraud.
>
> Expressing my opinion, if in doubt, check it out!
>
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> The Hupe Collection
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo
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>
> > And can me someone tell me details about NWA 849 vs. Campo?
> > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/HB2W.jpg
> > Looks so similar and the values are so similar.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!" <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>
> > To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:07 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo
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> > > Hello list.Can someone answer this for me?BAYGORRIA VS. CAMPO!They
look
> > > alike.They say it is similar in composition.Yet 2 different
> strewnfields.I
> > > saw a slew of baygorria pieces on ebay and am just wondering,has the
> > > analysis come in yet for this meteorite?I hear that they are just
campos
> > > and someone has put another name on them.I know that they are
> > > meteorites,but I know of 1 good place to get campos,for myself,no
reason
> > > to get more using another name.HELP!!!!!!!!
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