[meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo

From: Rob Wesel <nakhladog_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Dec 8 16:25:02 2005
Message-ID: <007101c5fc3d$d0ae36d0$59681618_at_robewcufk0z2s3>

It will take a scientist to make the determination on Baygorria. The
partslices of Baygorria on my website were cut by Marlin Cilz from the
single mass classified as Baygorria several years ago. They were not
purchased at the Tucson show. Could there be a little Port Orford going on
here, sure. Any scientist wanting to take it on...I will lend the material
for study. Obviously, the Tucson situation has damaged my sales of my
material but I don't plan to take it down or change the name any time soon
as it was CLASSIFIED as Baygorria.

Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo


> Hi List Members,
>
> Martin asked about the similarities between NWA 849 and Campo with this
> statement:
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> And can me someone tell me details about NWA 849 vs. Campo?
> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/HB2W.jpg
> Looks so similar and the values are so similar.
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> Coordinates were provided for NWA 849 by the Aronsons of Sahara Overland
> and I believe this piece was studied at UCLA. I am sure if UCLA suspected
> this material was Campo they would have noted this since they run into
> Campo
> all time according to an article I read in Meteorite Magazine. I have had
> nothing but honest business dealings with Sahara Overland and have no
> reason
> to doubt the meteorites origin. There are a few other high-integrity
> dealers
> like the Jensens who also carry NWA 849. IAB Course octahedrites are one
> of
> the most common Iron type meteorites out there so the provenance is very
> important.
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> In the Case of Baygorria, it is my belief that these are all definitely
> paired to Campo del Cielo. The dealers who brought this material to Tucson
> admitted the fraud to Mike Farmer in Spanish which Mike speaks fluently.
> Not
> only that, the entry in the Meteoritical Bulletin states that they are
> similar in composition. Given the heterogeneity of iron meteorites and the
> slight differences in calibration of equipment used to study them, I would
> state the original Baygorria consisting of a single stone and Campo del
> Cielo are virtually identical.
>
> All course octahedrites are susceptible to weathering because of the
> relatively low nickel content so this cannot be used to distinguish them
> from one another. Only one Baygorria has ever been submitted for lab work
> and was determined to be similar to Campo del Cielo, everything else is a
> fraud.
>
> Expressing my opinion, if in doubt, check it out!
>
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> The Hupe Collection
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martin Altmann" <altmann_at_meteorite-martin.de>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 5:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo
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>> And can me someone tell me details about NWA 849 vs. Campo?
>> http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/HB2W.jpg
>> Looks so similar and the values are so similar.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!" <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>
>> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:07 PM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] baygorria vs. campo
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>> > Hello list.Can someone answer this for me?BAYGORRIA VS. CAMPO!They look
>> > alike.They say it is similar in composition.Yet 2 different
> strewnfields.I
>> > saw a slew of baygorria pieces on ebay and am just wondering,has the
>> > analysis come in yet for this meteorite?I hear that they are just
>> > campos
>> > and someone has put another name on them.I know that they are
>> > meteorites,but I know of 1 good place to get campos,for myself,no
>> > reason
>> > to get more using another name.HELP!!!!!!!!
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>> > STEVE ARNOLD,CHICAGO
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>> > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
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>> > Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!
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>> > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
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