[meteorite-list] RE: RC's age of the universe???

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Aug 17 09:39:44 2005
Message-ID: <009801c5a332$7d9164e0$77659a54_at_9y6y40j>

Objection, Euer Ehren!

Bishop Ussher, who calculated the day of the creation was an anglican
protestant from Ireland.
And if I remember right, in Spencer Tracy's The trial of the Hulk, the
opponent was a protestant zealot.
I for my part never met a catholic priest with had doubts on the age of the
universe, nor was I taught in the religious education at school 20+ years
ago, that evolution and the age of the world is rubbish. (In fact they
taught the construct of Teilhard, creation in evolution).
Btw. the main agitation against the heliocentric system in 16th century was
done by lutheran church.
The catholic scholars didn't use Copernicus' system for the only reason,
that it gave worse accurate positions of the planets than the geocentric
(Copernicus used concentric orbits and was always fighting with additional
auxiliary circles to get that thing in accordance with the real positions,
which were worse than those calculated by the model with epicycles).
Later when Kepler had published his laws, the Catholics were using them,
despite Galileo was damned :-)
I would locate that Ussherism today more in the American
fundamentalistic-potestant branches than in the RC.

Amen
Martin

PS: Ussher's first day of creation was 20th October 4004 B.C.
PSS: Norbert, ich brauch die Liste!





----- Original Message -----
From: "Norbert Classen" <trifid_at_timewarp.de>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] RE: RC's age of the universe???


> Hi Sterling, Martin & All,
>
> Martin H. wrote:
>
> > The question has risen:
> >
> > > I wonder why the RC church would have such a
> > > huge collection of items which contradicts
> > > their doctrine that the universe is only
> > > 6,000 to 10,000 years old...
> >
> > Does anyone have a reference for the assumption that
> > "their doctrine" actually addresses the age of the
> > universe?
>
> I guess that assumption stems from the movie "Inherit the Wind" with
Spencer
> Tracy, based on the legendary ape trial, and the screenplay by Jerome
> Lawrence and Robert E. Lee. Major Brady, the proponent of the
anti-evolution
> fraction, gives an exact date of the creation of the universe in this
plot;
> if I recall it correctly it was a "Thursday", some 5,700 or so years ago
;-)
> Certainly not the official doctrine of the RC church, but I know quite a
lot
> of contemporary RC priests, preachers, and officials who are saying
> essentially the same...
>
> Sterling responded (sorry for quoting you out of context, Sterling):
>
> > That unfortunate business with Galilleo was, well,
> > unfortunate... There are reports that many prelates,
> > including the Pope, were delighted with the Big Bang
> > theory's wide acceptance, for obvious reasons. A created
> > universe? Didn't we always say so?
>
> Yeah, and while Galilleo has been reinstated by popular demand (sic!),
> people such as Giordano Bruno are still "burning in hell", at least if you
> follow the official agenda of the RC church. Now, if we would actually
find
> traces of (former) life in martian meteorites, or on Mars missions, the
> official agenda would surely change, provided that there will be another
> paradigm shift, and enough popular demand to "convince" them. There. So
it's
> no real change of attitude, it's just "survival of the fittest", what
leads
> us back to Darwin, and "Inherit the Wind"...
>
> Enough said,
> Norbert
>
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