[meteorite-list] (AD) Lao Tse

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Aug 3 13:42:55 2005
Message-ID: <BF16502B.200C9%mlblood_at_cox.net>

on 8/3/05 9:39 AM, Martin Altmann at Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de wrote:
> Hi Captain, John, Sterling,
> perhaps John wanted to express that what,
> I guess, Laotse said:
> An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg.
> Planet Buckleboo
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Lao Tse said that, eh?
        Michael














 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood_at_cox.net>
> To: "Sterling K. Webb" <kelly_at_bhil.com>; "Meteorite List"
> <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Cc: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>; "DNAndrews"
> <DNA1_at_cableone.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!
> Thank you!
>
>
>> John, Sterling and all,
>> John, first I would like to mention that I am "selective" in
> reading
>> what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with "AD"
>> and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and
>> those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority
>> of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you
>> and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you,
>> of course.
>> In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never
> see
>> he who must not be named allowed to post, his "skill" at worming his
>> way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his
>> name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his
>> banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current
>> "signature" on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment,
>> I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts!
>> Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes
>> some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously
>> the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!!
>> Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not
>> respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and
>> read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright
>> hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point
>> I only find it humorous.... nearly as much as the "Who's on first?"
>> routine).
>> Now, as for ADs.... I gotta agree with you here, at least to the
>> point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try,
>> myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most,
>> one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week,
>> and some of the "better suppliers" (such as Adam & Mike Farmer to
>> name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I
>> am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious
>> just seeing the seemingly endless posts of "I have such and such on
>> eBay...." over and over and over, and "Only a few hours left!" etc. I find
>> these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least
>> droll.
>> Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted
> slightly
>> to limit it to one a month per person - but all & all, the bottom line is
>> Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every
>> time someone said he "aught to" the list would long ago transformed
>> into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been.
>> Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the
>> constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and
>> frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents
>> who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said,
>> "Democracy is the worst form of government there is....except every
>> other form of government." So, while this list is not a democracy, it
>> is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is.
>> I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on
>> the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even
>> hours, let alone days) when the meteorite "blog" was started!
>> So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this
> way
>> or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his
>> wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore
>> the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to
>> likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find
> interesting.
>> I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they
>> are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the
>> conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this
> sentiment
>> when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They
>> are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and
>> banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or
>> use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man,
>> get a grip!
>> Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per
> month,
>> or whatever..... even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so
>> choose..... but resign the list because you can't control yourself and
> must
>> read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it.
>> Best wishes, Michael
>>
>>
>> on 8/3/05 1:04 AM, Sterling K. Webb at kelly_at_bhil.com wrote:
>>
>>> But...
>>> The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it,
> and
>>> what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what
> offends,
>>> and
>>> it's different for everybody.
>>> As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that
> on its
>>> own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever
> sent.
>>> Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky.
>>> My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine
> distinctions
>>> for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black
> coffee
>>> and
>>> hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock.
> Soon
>>> they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably
> get
>>> out
>>> of hand.
>>> I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you
> don't
>>> like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push.
> Just
>>> flush. Imagine that DEL stands for "DELiver to Hell," and you'll feel
> good
>>> when
>>> you do it.
>>> The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to
> remember
>>> all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said
> much
>>> the
>>> same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety,
> and use
>>> the button (but not enough), both.
>>>
>>> Sterling ("13,926 messages in my Inbox") Webb
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> JKGwilliam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave and List,
>>>> I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a
>>>> substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem.
>>>>
>>>> A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of
> my
>>>> own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List.
> What
>>>> I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus
> on
>>>> meteorites and get rid of all of the "AD" posts including all of the
>>>> "reminders" about Ebay auctions along with all of the other "off topic"
>>>> posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive
>>>> lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I
> did
>>>> early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a
> stand
>>>> towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual
> offender
>>>> would be a good start.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list
> the
>>>> way it is?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> JKGwilliam
>>>>
>>>> At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote:
>>>>> Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago!!!!) from this
>>>>> list. I will gladly be the "sacrificial lamb" in this case. I
> haven't
>>>>> missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from
> now
>>>>> on in the future....thanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate
> with
>>>>> this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either
>>>>> electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage "this
>>>>> great hobby of ours". If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't
>>>>> have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day
> in,
>>>>> day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my
> true
>>>>> friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To
> put
>>>>> it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go.
>>>>> But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore.
> Some
>>>>> newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999....yeah...right!
>>>>> Count me out. I mean it!
>>>>>
>>>>> So, you choose Art....SSteve or me....it won't really hurt me feelings
> if
>>>>> it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my
> identity
>>>>> like Matteo anyways).
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on
> yahoogroups
>>>>>> for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I
> have
>>>>>> added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off
> till
>>>>>> sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale
> pages.Sorry
>>>>>> for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on
>>>>>> yahoogroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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