[meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow! Thank you! AD OT, OT AD.

From: Martin Altmann <Altmann_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Aug 3 12:30:55 2005
Message-ID: <002a01c59849$fb0a06a0$02769a54_at_9y6y40j>

Hi Captain, John, Sterling,
perhaps John wanted to express that what,
I guess, Laotse said:
An ingrown toenail can suck more than a broken leg.

Planet Buckleboo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael L Blood" <mlblood_at_cox.net>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <kelly_at_bhil.com>; "Meteorite List"
<meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <steve_arnol60120_at_yahoo.com>; "DNAndrews"
<DNA1_at_cableone.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) Art...delete me or SSteve from herenow!
Thank you!


> John, Sterling and all,
> John, first I would like to mention that I am "selective" in
reading
> what is posted to the list. I delete almost all posts that start with "AD"
> and those from the Italian Scallion (he who must not be named), and
> those that are on a string that does not interest me. That is the majority
> of the posts. However, John, I never fail to read yours, as I respect you
> and what you have to say. That does not mean I always agree with you,
> of course.
> In this particular instance, while I would dearly love to never
see
> he who must not be named allowed to post, his "skill" at worming his
> way around the various technological ins and outs and changing his
> name and such combined with total shamelessness in not accepting his
> banishment from the list make it inevitable that I will see his current
> "signature" on posts to the list. Furthermore, to my utter astonishment,
> I will have to see people I otherwise respect respond to his posts!
> Well, John, if I have to stomach that, and I do, perhaps that goes
> some way in explaining why I have such a hard time taking seriously
> the perplexing - and what I now find humorous, uproar over Chicago!!!
> Steve. How can anyone take that situation seriously? (PLEASE do not
> respond to such a clearly rhetorical question! I have read, and read and
> read endless posts justifying the resentment, blaming and outright
> hatred directed at the misguided one - that, too, has reached the point
> I only find it humorous.... nearly as much as the "Who's on first?"
> routine).
> Now, as for ADs.... I gotta agree with you here, at least to the
> point that they certainly have gotten completely out of hand. I try,
> myself, to limit myself to one every couple of months - or, at most,
> one a month. Others clearly see no problem with a few times a week,
> and some of the "better suppliers" (such as Adam & Mike Farmer to
> name just two) are among them. Well, I just use the ol' delete key if I
> am not in the mood to check them out. It does, however, grow tedious
> just seeing the seemingly endless posts of "I have such and such on
> eBay...." over and over and over, and "Only a few hours left!" etc. I find
> these far more annoying than ads by Chicago!!! Steve, which are at least
> droll.
> Anyway, ya, I would like to see the list rule on ads shifted
slightly
> to limit it to one a month per person - but all & all, the bottom line is
> Art has done one hell of a job with this list and if he tweeked it every
> time someone said he "aught to" the list would long ago transformed
> into something far less meaningful that it is today and always has been.
> Not to get too corny here, but it is a little like the the
> constitution - I may not like some of what I see going on in the US - and
> frequently resent a good deal of it, especially some of the presidents
> who are elected - but I believe it was Winston Churchil who said,
> "Democracy is the worst form of government there is....except every
> other form of government." So, while this list is not a democracy, it
> is run by Art and throughout the years he has kept it as good as it is.
> I doubt anyone would accuse him of being over reactive or quick on
> the trigger, but look at what happened in a matter of minutes (not even
> hours, let alone days) when the meteorite "blog" was started!
> So, while I occasionally would like to see Art tweek things this
way
> or that, (and I do) I none the less must take off my hat to him and his
> wisdom in maintaining a list where the worst thing I have to do is ignore
> the Italian Scallion and any ADs I don't care to read and am free to
> likewise ignore any strings (or individual posts) I do not find
interesting.
> I do find it distressing when members of your stature mention they
> are considering leaving the list because they can no longer tolerate the
> conditions listed above. I just don't get it. I DO understand this
sentiment
> when there are mud slinging wars going on and I have seen them all. They
> are not pretty and that is where I have always seen Art take action and
> banish people involved - most particularly if they are vicious and/or
> use obscenity - but over the misguided one? Or over ADs? Come on, man,
> get a grip!
> Sure, write Art and suggest an AD ban, or 1 AD per person per
month,
> or whatever..... even suggest banishment of The Misguided One, if you so
> choose..... but resign the list because you can't control yourself and
must
> read every post instead of ignore and/or delete? I just don't get it.
> Best wishes, Michael
>
>
> on 8/3/05 1:04 AM, Sterling K. Webb at kelly_at_bhil.com wrote:
>
> > But...
> > The problem is: what is an offense, and how big of an offense is it,
and
> > what should be done, and so forth. One can always argue about what
offends,
> > and
> > it's different for everybody.
> > As for arguing about an offense, the List seems capable of doing that
on its
> > own just fine! Mr. Arnold #2 has generated more emails than he ever
sent.
> > Assigning responsibility for that, objectively, is murky.
> > My guess is that a moderator that attempted to make those fine
distinctions
> > for every email that offended somebody would soon be living on black
coffee
> > and
> > hiring a staff of full-time arbiters working in shifts around the clock.
Soon
> > they would be setting up a coffee IV station, and... Well, it'd probably
get
> > out
> > of hand.
> > I join the ranks of those who say and who have said before, if you
don't
> > like an email, you know where to sent it, which big red button to push.
Just
> > flush. Imagine that DEL stands for "DELiver to Hell," and you'll feel
good
> > when
> > you do it.
> > The secret of life, the Trafalmagorians told Billy Pilgrim, is to
remember
> > all the good stuff and to forget all the bad stuff. My Grandfather said
much
> > the
> > same thing. A similar principle applies to email. I like the variety,
and use
> > the button (but not enough), both.
> >
> > Sterling ("13,926 messages in my Inbox") Webb
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > JKGwilliam wrote:
> >
> >> Dave and List,
> >> I know how you feel Dave. But, while I see Steve Arnold #2 as being a
> >> substantial problem on the List, he isn't the only problem.
> >>
> >> A couple of weeks ago I sent a personal email to Art expressing some of
my
> >> own frustrations and told him I was thinking about leaving the List.
What
> >> I'd really like to see is for the Meteorite List to regain it's focus
on
> >> meteorites and get rid of all of the "AD" posts including all of the
> >> "reminders" about Ebay auctions along with all of the other "off topic"
> >> posts. I know I'm not the only one who is frustrated because I receive
> >> lots of commiserating private mail from people after I speak up like I
did
> >> early today. Maybe I should join ranks with my buddy Dave and take a
stand
> >> towards cleaning up the Meteorite List. Getting rid of a habitual
offender
> >> would be a good start.
> >>
> >> Does anyone else share my opinion or are you content to leave the list
the
> >> way it is?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> JKGwilliam
> >>
> >> At 09:35 PM 8/2/2005, DNAndrews wrote:
> >>> Art, please delete either I or Steve Arnold (Chicago!!!!) from this
> >>> list. I will gladly be the "sacrificial lamb" in this case. I
haven't
> >>> missed a Tucson show in 8 years, but I think I'll be skipping it from
now
> >>> on in the future....thanks to SSteve. I have no desire to associate
with
> >>> this person there or anywhere else for that matter... either
> >>> electronically or or in person. He has done nothing but damage "this
> >>> great hobby of ours". If you choose me, I will be grateful as I won't
> >>> have to open up and actually read all these messages that I delete day
in,
> >>> day out. I will still continue on my meteorite hunting trips and my
true
> >>> friends know how to get in touch me for those REAL meteorite hunts. To
put
> >>> it mildly, I'm sure some will be relieved to see me go.
> >>> But, since SSteve came around, Tucson just isn't the same anymore.
Some
> >>> newbie buffoon that sez he's been around since 1999....yeah...right!
> >>> Count me out. I mean it!
> >>>
> >>> So, you choose Art....SSteve or me....it won't really hurt me feelings
if
> >>> it is me. Really! (If I change my mind, I can just change my
identity
> >>> like Matteo anyways).
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>> Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Good evening list.This is the 3rd time I have tried to post on
yahoogroups
> >>>> for meteorites,and nothing.I wish I new what the problem is.Anyway I
have
> >>>> added more items to my meteorite sale and will extend the half off
till
> >>>> sunday the 7th.Just go to my website and look under the sale
pages.Sorry
> >>>> for this, but I would like to know why my posts do not go thru on
> >>>> yahoogroups.
> >>>>
> >>>> steve
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
> >>>>
> >>>> Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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