[meteorite-list] Fw: Enough is Enough - Plain & Simple!

From: Jeff Kuyken <jeff_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Tue Sep 14 04:12:52 2004
Message-ID: <00cf01c49a32$99b16a80$95348690_at_mandin4f89ypwu>

G'day Stefan / List,

Exactly right Stefan! It really is quite simple. If NWA xyz has been
classified as a Jupiterite and has a TKW of 200g then that is that.
Period!!! If a seller/collector thinks that another stone has come from the
same spot and is paired, what right do they have to say it is NWA xyz. No
matter how experienced they might be, if they're not qualified then they
should say something along the lines of "This stone is possibly paired with
NWA xyz" or have their own authorised analysis done. And for anyone thinking
" Yeah, but..."; stop right there!!! Another list member has mentioned that
not long ago several lunar stones were found in the same strewnfield in
Dhofar. Recent analysis has shown they belong to at least two sperate falls.
If the finder had not been as diligent as they were, the meteorites would
likely have just been sold as the same thing!

Plain & Simple,

Jeff Kuyken
I.M.C.A. #3085
www.meteorites.com.au

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: S. Ralew
  To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
  Cc: Meteoryt.net
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877


  Dear Marcin and List,

  if "NWA4000" has a total known weight of 200 g, it would be a little
  strange, if somebody offers 500 g of "NWA4000" for sale. In my opinion the
  correct way would be that the seller offers the material as"possibly
paired
  with NWA4000" and provides a thin section of the possibly paired material
  for an examination. Otherwise every collector could classify his
meteorites
  and sell it as NWAxyz. The statemet "It looks just the same" wouldn't be
  enough for me as a buyer. Particulary at high-priced meteorites.

  As a dealer I will have all possibly paired stones of NWA- rare types
  examined in future by a seperate thin section and I will have the Tkw
  corrected in the MetBull, if I get paired stones. This seems to me to be a
  good solution at the moment. I think, if a collector buys a slice of a
  high-priced meteorite, he has a right to know the exact informations about
  the specimen.

  Best regards,

  Stefan

  Stefan Ralew
  SR-Meteorite Collection
  Berlin/ Germany

  www.meteoriten.com



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Meteoryt.net" <marcin_at_meteoryt.net>
  To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
  Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Enough is Enough, Now NWA 1877


> Hello List
> I can understand that when someone classyfy 200g as NWA4000 then other
> samples above this 200g can be or not the same material.
> But where is border beetween meteorites that can be sell without
> classification under "similar" NWA numbers and other, than can't be sold
> using NWA numbers that someone "own" ??
>
> If I CAN'T use NWA1110 and NWA1877 then maybe someone can explaine me
why
  I
> CAN sell H chondrites from Burkina as Gao-Guenie without classification
> every kilo for example and noone screaming that Im Thief and sell
untested
> material ? Where is the "owner" of Gao-Guenie name ? Why he is not
> screeaming ?
> Why noone screaming that Bob CANT sell his black peas as Amgala, becouse
> Ambala is a NWA number from Dr No with TKW 15kg and amgala from Bob is
> material not include in this 15kg?
> Or maybe this working only for meteorites 100$/g and more and everything
> below this price is not worth to write long letters? Or only this is
only
> law for Hupes meteorites ? Only
>
>
> If we have any rules then why they fit only to rare meteorites and for
> example I can sell ANYTHING as Nwa869 and noone will say anything ?
  Ofcourse
> there is also another case. Its a confidence and honesty of every
dealer.
> For example me, If I know that THIS IS Gao then I sell it as Gao.
>
> We have a good proverb in poland:
> If noone know what is the matter, then matter is money........
>
> PS. This email is not against Hupes. I like You guys.
>
> -----[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-----[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-----
> http://www.Meteoryt.net marcin_at_meteoryt.net
> http://www.PolandMET.com marcin_at_polandmet.com
> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195
> --------[ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ]--------
>
>
>
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