[meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues

From: Michel Franco <michel_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Sep 9 11:19:22 2004
Message-ID: <009d01c4967f$bd2ea420$0201a8c0_at_cailloubi12zzr>

Hello Adam, Mark and list,

I think that the Nom Com uses the term "additional mass" when a new fragment
( or individual ) is found, and recognized scientifically by a reknown lab
as paired with an already published meteorite.
I had the case this year with a new mass ( 2947 g) of the Djermaia H
meteorite that fell in Chad in feb 1961 and that I had the great opportunity
to be in charge. (see www.caillou-noir.com/Djermaia.htm )
The additonnal mass was published this year in the Met Bull# 88, and the
official TKW of this meteorite has changed. Bob Haag new catalog displays
also an individual that is very likely another mass of Djermaia , but
apparently he has not submitted his stone to the Nom Com. He hold the
biggest one !!! But mine is for sale.
I can imagine that a paired meteorite to NWA could be named with the same
name, if the pairing has been scientifically established and if the new mass
is submitted to the approuval of the Nom Com.
For sure, before publication, it is not fair to say that the probably paired
one is the true mass of the declared meteorite.
My 2 cents,

Best regards,

Michel FRANCO

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
To: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues


> Hello Mark and List,
>
> I am not arguing that all of these fragments may be paired and I am not
> saying that they did not all come from the same strewnfield. Read my
emails
> more carefully. My problem with others using the NWA 1110 designation is
> that this number was reserved by us to cover an additional 118 grams (not
a
> single gram more) and that this in the books, is official and final (no
more
> can be added because it is a pairing). Every crumb officially and
legally
> claimed to be NWA 1110 has been imaged, was authenticated by a scientist
and
> submitted to the NomCom for approval. These other pieces being claimed
> under NWA 1110 have not been authenticated. I would say this makes them
> different. I assure you Mark this is no act, using proprietary data is
> nothing short of infringement. What is to stop a crooked or uninformed
> person from selling terrestrial pebbles as NWA 1110 if there are no
> standards? What if somebody published your cartoons without first getting
> your permission? What if they drew a lousy cartoon and claimed you drew
it?
> Using an air abrasion tool to clean up Zag does not make it Amgala.
>
> All the best,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
> To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <bobe5531@comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues
>
>
> > Hello Adam and list,
> >
> > Adam wrote "What you are doing is nothing short of fraud."....."Nelson's
> > pieces are paired to NWA 1068. NWA 1110 is also paired to NWA 1068, as
> > well. Pairing to a pairing is ridiculous, submit your own type sample,
> > claim the extra weight and get your own number."
> >
> > Fraud? For selling the same meteorite under the same name?
> >
> > Adam you should take this weekly act of yours on the road. I can
remember
> a
> > couple months ago when you complained that Farmer was using the name
> Amgala,
> > and if someone wants to look through the archives, they can find you
> > complaining about people using multiple numbers on the same meteorite.
> >
> > I think you will find it hard to convince us that the same
> > meteorite.....should have a different name or number from every dealer,
> and
> > that to do underwise is "fraud". In my humble opinion, the same
> > meteorite....is well, the same meteorite. And while I know it soulds a
> > little funny, us calling the same meteorite, the same name, I really do
> > think it could work.
> >
> > Mark Bostick
> > www.meteoritearticles.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Received on Thu 09 Sep 2004 11:14:44 AM PDT