[meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues

From: mark ford <markf_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Sep 9 09:48:13 2004
Message-ID: <6CE3EEEFE92F4B4085B0E086B2941B31244438_at_s-southern01.s-southern.com>

Hi,

Yeah, I agree, I too can see both sides, I can well see that getting
everything planetary classified is a good move, but if dealers suddenly
flooded the labs with NWA stuff, would the labs want to do it?

The real question is how confident of authenticity are those dealers who
are selling material 'that's probably paired with..' ? . If it is
obvious by looking at like Allende for example then that's fair enough,
but you can't tell me that a weathered Martian or Lunar with no crust is
'obviously genuine' there's plenty of terrestrial stuff that would pass
a 'casual glance test'...

Best
Mark Ford






-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Altmann [mailto:Altmann_at_Meteorite-Martin.de]
Sent: 09 September 2004 14:21
To: MARK BOSTICK; meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues

Hmmm Mark,

Both sides are right in my opinion.
It's the well known dilemma with that NWA lottery.

I think les Hupes did well on the behalf of their clients to verify each
and
every stone.
Especially with that precious planetary material there is no better way
and
it's very important to grant the authenticity,
because it is everything else than sufficient, if the Moroccains told:
It's
found in the same area, it's looking quite same, so it will be the same
stuff.

The other side of the coin is, that if each and every stone of the same
material then gets his own NWA-number, we have an inflation of finds
listed
as own meteorites although it is most probably the same material, which
makes it later difficult to group them together again and to avoid f.e.
redundant scientific work (at least I think so..)

In my imagination the tkw may be the most uninteresting aspect of a
meteorite for a scientist, but on the other hand a price factor in
selling,
so that, if I would find a 10kg-chunk of Moon, I would be tempted to
take
out the sledge to produce some pairings...

So Greg is right with his opus moderandi, as he provides maximum
certitude
to his collectors
and the others are right too as we already have a large NWA-number
salad.
Take a look on the list of lunaites (without the new Moon now). I count
51
desert numbers, which probably belongs only to 17-18 different falls.
And 31 Marses of perhaps 14 pairing groups.
What a mess!

Cheers!
Martin



----- Original Message -----
From: "MARK BOSTICK" <thebigcollector_at_msn.com>
To: <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>; <bobe5531@comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues


> Hello Adam and list,
>
> Adam wrote "What you are doing is nothing short of
fraud."....."Nelson's
> pieces are paired to NWA 1068. NWA 1110 is also paired to NWA 1068,
as
> well. Pairing to a pairing is ridiculous, submit your own type
sample,
> claim the extra weight and get your own number."
>
> Fraud? For selling the same meteorite under the same name?
>
> Adam you should take this weekly act of yours on the road. I can
remember
a
> couple months ago when you complained that Farmer was using the name
Amgala,
> and if someone wants to look through the archives, they can find you
> complaining about people using multiple numbers on the same meteorite.
>
> I think you will find it hard to convince us that the same
> meteorite.....should have a different name or number from every
dealer,
and
> that to do underwise is "fraud". In my humble opinion, the same
> meteorite....is well, the same meteorite. And while I know it soulds a
> little funny, us calling the same meteorite, the same name, I really
do
> think it could work.
>
> Mark Bostick
> www.meteoritearticles.com
>
>
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