FW: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
From: Robert Warren <cometman_75_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Wed Oct 27 14:38:56 2004 Message-ID: <BAY16-F35IBirXXeQM700046c84_at_hotmail.com> >From: "Robert Warren" <cometman_75_at_hotmail.com> >To: almitt_at_kconline.com, bernd.pauli@paulinet.de >CC: Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? >Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:43 +0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: [66.205.162.11] >X-Originating-Email: [cometman_75_at_hotmail.com] >X-Sender: cometman_75_at_hotmail.com >Received: from mc3-f34.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.170]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:42:56 -0700 >Received: from six.pairlist.net ([209.68.2.254]) by mc3-f34.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:42:13 -0700 >Received: from six.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by six.pairlist.net >(Postfix) with ESMTPid 03C5D8D3D3; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23])by six.pairlist.net >(Postfix) with SMTP id 2905D8C2DEfor ><meteorite-list_at_lists6.meteoritecentral.com>;Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:10 >-0400 (EDT) >Received: (qmail 39118 invoked by uid 7111); 27 Oct 2004 14:41:10 -0000 >Received: (qmail 39114 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 14:41:09 -0000 >Received: from bay16-f35.bay16.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) >(65.54.186.85)by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 14:41:09 -0000 >Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft >SMTPSVC;Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:41:06 -0700 >Received: from 66.205.162.11 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Wed, >27 Oct 2004 14:40:43 GMT >X-Message-Info: GQXpnklFM/deOXuyugSvCUXqHBUoZUf7+q1kK3elMAQ= >X-Original-To: meteorite-list_at_lists6.meteoritecentral.com >Delivered-To: meteorite-list_at_six.pairlist.net >Delivered-To: >arthur-meteoritecentral:com-Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com >Message-ID: <BAY16-F35TyfPefLJGW000427e6_at_hotmail.com> >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2004 14:41:06.0290 >(UTC)FILETIME=[FDA2AD20:01C4BC32] >X-BeenThere: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum <meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com> >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>,<mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list> >List-Post: <mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com> >List-Help: ><mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: ><http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>,<mailto:meteorite-list-request_at_meteoritecentral.com?subject=subscribe> >Errors-To: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com >Return-Path: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com > >Geetings and salutations, > >I am in agreement with Al Mitterling, concerning the Port Orford Meteorite. > If anyone would read carefully Plotkins book put out by the Smithsonian, >check all of his references, and then look at the information he does not >quote from, or refer to, they would get a completely different picture. >Plotkin refers to a series of letters, or correspondence from two >gentlemen, who were on a steamboat with Evans going up the Missouri river, >towards a point that they intended to get off and proceed to the Bad Lands. > Before they got on the boat, in the correspondence that Plotkin does not >quote or refer to, they say how Evans loaned them money so that they could >buy the supplies they needed for their trip. They were on a fixed budget, >with no idea as to how much anything would cost, in the then frontier state >of Missouri. They didn't know about the cost of mules, horses, food, >camping gear, or even the fees for getting on board the steamboat. But >Plotkin, leads us to believe that Evans could not manage money. That is a >recurring theme throughout his work. But that theme is unfounded. He says >that Evans concocted the hoax so as to pay off debts incurred sometime >between 1856 and 1858. However, he does not mention how in 1858, there was >a world wide economic panic, or what we would call today, a depression. He >does not mention how one gentleman in California, at the same time, was >asked by his superiors in St. Louis, as to what he thought should be done >with the bank they owned, a branch that he was the manager of, in San >Francisco? His response was to close it, which they did. They transferred >him to New York City, where the same thing happened. That gentlemans name >was William Tecumseh Sherman, of Sherman's march to the sea fame during the >civil war. Plotkin makes it sound as if Evans was the only one in >financial trouble. Yet if anyone reads through a history of Geology in the >United States, he would find instance after instance, where almost everyone >contracted by the U. S. Government for a period of over one hundred years, >starting in the 1830's and going into the 1940's, has been short changed, >by not being paid enough for their efforts, and in some cases they never >recieved payment at all, even though they had a contract for doing the work >and being paid for it. One such case is of a gentleman, who was contracted >to survey the State of Michigan, in the 1830's. He hired a couple of men >to help him. They were at work, when one of those men decided he knew more >about what was going on, and he told both his boss, as well as the >government. The goverment decided to listen to that man, and did not pay >the man in charge. He quit in disqust, and always held a grudge against >the government until he died. That man was C. T. Jackson, the very same >chemist that Evans sent the samples to around 1858-1859. It was he who >found the sample that he said was a meteorite. By the way, why in 1860, >when he wrote the first paper about the Port Orford meteorite, why did he >use the word "specimens", plural, not singular. This would imply that he >had more than one piece. Why is it that he himself had been collecting >meteorites since the 1830's and nobody mentions that in relation to the >suppossed hoax. He himself put out a 3-6 page catalogue of meteorites in >his own collection. How do we not know that he kept the original Port >Orford specimen (s), and substituted a piece of Imilac, which has made it >down to us today, and history. This would explain why Lincoln La Paz back >in the 1930's during the course of his searches for the Port Orford, he was >told by the Museum in Boston that they still had the Port Orford in their >collection, which by that time, the SMithsonian claims to have already >purchased it from them. > >The long and the short of it, is simply this. There are too many questions >about Plotkin's work that does not correlate with the historical record. I >suggest everyone should get out and research it, and not take the word of >Plotkin, just because he has the Smithsonian behind them. > >Bob Warren > >_________________________________________________________________ >Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > >______________________________________________ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx Received on Wed 27 Oct 2004 02:37:47 PM PDT |
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