[meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need "Scorecard"

From: Pekka Savolainen <pekka.savolainen_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Mon Nov 22 14:52:34 2004
Message-ID: <41A243E4.90205_at_dlc.fi>

Can aggree, perhaps some 40 % of my collection is NWA:s, bought from
dealers I know, I can catch after an year or perhaps after ten years...;-

I?m also a collector of artifacts, and some arrow-heads may have 5 - 10
labels to find out the origin of the item. If the chain of the owners is
broken, it means problems, when selling the artifact.

I was a bit provocative in my former mail, but all this is not good for the
hobby or for the business.

Many of my NWA:s are bought from Hupe?s and other well-known dealers.
When I put the specimen ahead, the original label will follow, and I
enclose
my own, so if the buyer find the specimen as something else he / she thought
to buy after 10 years, we can find the beef.

It?s not realistic to think, the buyer is in response, what he / she is
buying, so
the only way at the moment is to trust in the seller. Everybody makes
mistakes,
but an honest seller corrects them, and that?s all. When I know the first
owner of the specimen and he / she is a serious delaer / collector, no
problem.

But we have to remember, this is a very sensitive hobby / business, and
it?s not
looking very wise to me to arque in public, who owns a number / possible
pairings etc... before you are absolute sure, what is the truth, or the
best quess,
all can aggree (many scientifical "truths" are just the best quesses).

As I said, it?s not realistic to belive, the buyer will check every
specimen he / she
buys. Anyway, many of us makes trades with universities and others, who have
the possibility to have a closer look at the specimen. I sure know, if
I?d trade an
ordinary chondrite as a lunar to the universtiy of Helsinki, I?ll have a
call in a day
or two.

The authenticy of the specimen is the first thing, serious (or not so
serious) colector
is interrested in (the size and quality are secundary, and are up to
that, how much
you are going to spend for the specimen).

best,

pekka s



Adam Hupe wrote:

>I consider myself a serious collector and NWA represents most of our
>collection. Some of the rarest, most scientifically significant and
>beautiful pieces have come from the Sahara. Close to half of all planetary
>meteorites have been pulled from NWA. If you do not collect NWA you are
>missing out on some of the world's best material.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>------------------------------------
>Adam Hupe
>The Hupe Collection
>Team LunarRock
>IMCA 2185
>raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bernhard Rems" <rendelius_at_rpgdot.com>
>To: "'Pekka Savolainen'" <pekka.savolainen_at_dlc.fi>
>Cc: <Meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
>Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 11:13 AM
>Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need "Scorecard"
>
>
>Oh, is it, that "serious collectors" don't accept NWA in their
>collections?
>
>Or is this rather some shitty snobist attitude?
>
>
>Thank you for calling me a "non-serious collector". :-(
>
>Bernhard
>
>-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com
>[mailto:meteorite-list-bounces_at_meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von
>Pekka Savolainen
>Gesendet: Montag, 22. November 2004 20:05
>An: mark ford
>Cc: Meteorite List
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need "Scorecard"
>
>
>Well, this is one reason, why some serious collectors don?t
>accept NWA:s in their collection.
>
>I?m stil wondering, to be or not to be...;- Anyway, not the
>best way to advertise these beauties - to make them as the
>easter-eggs.
>
>best pekka s
>
>
>
>mark ford wrote:
>
>
>
>>Yes it is confusing!
>>
>>To me, all it's done is make every single meteorite label in our
>>collections questionable. - i.e 'a probably rather than an actually'
>>
>>Clearly there is no way to guarantee authenticity if people sell
>>unchecked stuff, - yes even if someone in a bar in Morroco said it
>>originated from a known strewnfield. So as long as everyone
>>
>>
>appreciates
>
>
>>that then fair enough.
>>
>>Personally, I say never mind the dealers, the Buyers should get stuff
>>checked! - I certainly will from now on, all Lunar Martian stuff etc I
>>buy will gonna be checked over a lot more stringently than usual...
>>
>>
>>Best
>>
>>Mark Ford
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul H [mailto:bristolia_at_yahoo.com]
>>Sent: 22 November 2004 15:26
>>To: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] My Eyes Are Glazing Over- Need "Scorecard"
>>
>>As someone, who is trying to follow this discussion,
>>my eyes are starting glaze over with NWA 1110 this;
>>NWA 2223 that; NWA 3133 is mine; NWA 3133 is not
>>yours; my NWA 1906 is real; your NWA 1906 is fake;
>>may the real NWA 788, NWA 787, or NWA 482,
>>please stand up. It is hard to search back through
>>the innumerable posts, given the lack of a search
>>engine specifically for the archives, to find out the
>>details behind each specific number is being talked
>>about.
>>
>>At some point, it seems someone needs to provide
>>a "scorecard" of some sort, if it doesn't already
>>exist, about what each of these "players" (meteorites)
>>
>>in the number game are about. It would help the soft
>>core, uninitiated lurkers better understand what is
>>the significance of NWA XXXX versus either
>>NWA YYYY or NWA YYXX.
>>
>>As the posts go back and forth about these numbers,
>>I think of a song to the tune of "This Land is Your
>>Land" that starts out as "NWA 1110 is My number,
>>NWA 1110 is not your number from Uranus to Mercury..."
>>appearing at some point.
>>
>>Yours,
>>
>>Paul
>>Baton Rouge, LA
>>
>>
>>
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