[meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List

From: joseph_town_at_att.net <joseph_town_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Fri Nov 12 01:39:48 2004
Message-ID: <111220040639.16439.41945AB0000804F60000403721603762230299019BA1089F0A9C0106_at_att.net>

Adam,

Your attempt to establish me as "hassling the croud" is incorrect. I'm no
villain. It really isn't neccessary to repeat your not for profit disclaimer or
the reminder of your many successes. Your motives are clear and I think my point is as well. Meteorites are my avocation and they are not. I hope to contribute as much as I can. I learn constantly, even from you.

old friend,

Bill


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> Hi Bill and List,
>
> I see our old friend, Bill is back to hassle the crowd. You have admonished
> a good portion of List members in the past for no good reason and you seem
> to have taken a particular liking to me. I normally would not respond to
> your rhetoric but you seem to have my motives mixed up.
>
> A few simple statements that might clear things up for you:
>
> We are primarily collectors. We sell material in order to help offset the
> enormous cost of acquiring, studying and to maintain our collection. As
> hard as it is to believe, overall we have never made a profit on meteorites.
> We spend far more than we take in. In the last five years we have invested
> more than any other collector in the world to improve our collection. This
> is what we are trying to protect, our enormous investment and the long-term
> value of our collection.
>
> If it was all about money we would still be running a successful corporate
> concern which is what paid for this collection. My brother and I even
> considered leasing treasure wreck sites in Florida and working them during
> the summer. Leasing a site, setting up a salvage vessel and crewing it
> would be about 1/4th our annual outlay for meteorites and the way things
> have been going, it may even be more fun. Our first love is meteorites,
> this is one of the reasons we are so protective of them. You could say one
> of our goals is to eliminate the less savory types from engaging in
> meteorites just for profit without concern for their real value, beauty or
> their fellow man.
>
> Bill, what have you done to improve this great avocation?
>
> I will have more to say on this subject soon,
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Adam
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <joseph_town_at_att.net>
> To: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List
>
>
> > Adam,
> >
> > You can study, you can admonish, you can try to establish yourself as the
> last word in meteorics. It's really sad that you aren't satisfied with what
> you have genuinely accomplished. Peddle your stones as you see fit but I for
> one can live without this long range plan you are presenting to dominate the
> market. It's transparent and offensive. You will never own the numbers or
> the minds of the majority.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Adam Hupe" <raremeteorites_at_comcast.net>
> > > Dear List,
> > >
> > > While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up
> with
> > > a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some
> improvements
> > > lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using
> the
> > > term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to
> > > laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector
> confidence.
> > > If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the
> > > NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are
> a
> > > few examples that could stand some improvement:
> > >
> > >
> > > Amgala*
> > > Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at
> fault.
> > >
> > > NWA 1109*
> > > Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self
> proclaimed
> > > pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1068
> > > Self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1110*
> > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1877*
> > > Self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1817*
> > > Self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1827
> > > Self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1878*
> > > Self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 1929
> > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 3118*
> > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > NWA 3140*
> > > Mass self proclaimed pairings
> > >
> > > * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection
> > >
> > > As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in
> the
> > > above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using
> > > these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend
> thousands
> > > every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant
> money.
> > > This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from now
> this
> > > list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the future.
> Now
> > > lets have some fun doing the right thing.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > > Adam Hupe
> > > The Hupe Collection
> > > Team LunarRock
> > > IMCA 2185
> > > raremeteorites_at_comcast.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
>
>
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