[meteorite-list] Ad ebay meteorites

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Nov 4 11:09:48 2004
Message-ID: <002801c4c288$b3851280$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

CJ, I think you are a little mixed up. NWA 1929 is ONE STONE, not a group,
not a pile, not 100 stones, one stone, that I bought and paid to classify.
Adam demands that the Shergottite he is fighting with Bob Evans over be his
and his alone, and anyone using that number for paired piece cease and
desist under threat of legal action.
I am using Adam's own standards with him and demanding that he and other
cease and desist using my number.
Is turnabout not fair play?
Mike Farmer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peanut .." <cj_peanut_at_msn.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 3:01 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad ebay meteorites


> Hello List,
>
> Mike Farmer said,
>
> "Again, if that is to be the case, then I want EVERYONE to immediately
> STOP
> using my number, NWA 801, and NWA 1929, and others."
>
> - - - NO, Snap out of it! It's not going to happen.. People are still
> going to use these numbers which have been assigned to these particular
> meteorites. Either as in a description about the meteorite or as a
> reference to the meteorite.
>
> "Those are my numbers for specific pieces, and suddenly there are hundreds
> of
> pieces of NWA 1929 on eBay and at shows, many uncut, and I would like to
> know how people think they are paired with my meteorite?"
>
> - - - Are these numbers actually his? I can understand his concern with
> uncut pieces without a reference from which they were purchased, but Adam
> NEVER made a reference to any numbers belonging to him personally, but to
> a particular meteorite or group of meteorites. Also, according to my
> understanding, if the numbers were approved "the name will be
> internationally accepted" and now he is saying no one can use them because
> they are his.. Right!
>
> Pel? Pierre-Marie said,
>
> "why don't we create a catalog of meteorites with official rates (like you
> can find for stamps or coins) ?"
>
> .I am in favor of a modified version of this, It's a great idea and it
> works for other hobbies such as Coins, Stamps, Tokens and a bunch of
> others.
>
>
> "Prices of each popular meteorite should be discussed by the whole
> meteorite community on Meteorite List so
> that we don't kill the market. Prices would be the average price of all
> prices indicated for each meteorite."
>
> .Yes & No..Prices and format should be discussed by the entire meteorite
> community. In actually trying to define "Meteorite Community" I'm saying
> everyone should be able to cast a vote (Sorry!.&#61514;) or have a say in
> this who has any actual concern. I.e., Dealers (Any size), Collectors,
> Museums, Clubs, Labs, Universities & Colleges, etc. Maybe even a website
> could be created to allow everyone to enter his or her opinion.
>
> ...As far as the list..Well, there can't even be an agreement on how to
> actually use these numbers much less agreeing on a price. Discussion is
> fine but not a decision. The final price decision should be made by one
> entity. A company or organization or generally accepted text created or
> expanded on for this purpose. Such as IMCA, METSOC, Etc, Etc, Etc. Coins
> have Krause as their biggie, Stamps have Scott, Ancient Coins have Sear.
> Personally, I think the book Meteorites A to Z could expand and fulfill
> this role!
>
> ...You won't kill the market, you may lower or raise the market though.
> Only the interest or lack of from the populace will actually kill the
> market.
>
> "For NWA or Sahara, it's harder as there are many pairings and all
> pairings are not known but on Sahara or NWA authenticated by the NomCom or
> a laboratory, the rates could be discussed."
>
> ...Pairings are irrelevant. As Adam pointed out, the pairing should have a
> completely different number assigned and that number should be used
> (Unless it belongs to Farmer...Sorry Mike, I had to!). Also another
> thought would be to go a different route and use variants. They do this in
> the "Coin & Stamp World" (Don't have meteorites from there..Sorry again!)
> A penny from 1909 is not finite. There is 1909S, 1909VDB, 1909S VDB,
> Proof, Uncirculated, Specimen, Etc.. So although NWA 9948 is paired to NWA
> 59196, it's still NWA 9948. If the paring can be authenticated, which is
> what I think Mike's point was, then the paring probably should be noted.
>
> "I hope everyone follows my thoughts. I'm ready to build such a paper book
> if everyone (at least every meteorite dealer) works on it ..."
>
> ...We need to talk!
>
> "1 .I think ebay buyers should add systematically (at
> least for the NWAs, Sahara serie...) the Meteoritical
> Bulletin Abstract of the NWA where is indicated the
> official tkw, finder or buyer, some information about
> the meteorite and where the buyer on ebay bought the
> sample (for example : bought from Adam Hupe) so that
> we can track down the meteorite sample.
>
> 2. Build a giant database on the web where every
> seller records its sales. That would be like a museum
> inventory. Each fragment of each NWA would be
> numbered, described and recorded and when sold to
> someone else the file would be updated so that
> everyone knows from whom comes the sample and where it
> was sent. But it's a crazy project maybe. And
> everyone should work on it."
>
> ...Both violate privacy, should anyone want it, but then why would you
> want their meteorites?
>
> Adam said,
>
> "NWA1929 was revised because the three largest stones were left behind and
> not reported, all from the same batch. NAU was provided a type sample of
> each piece that was left behind and an accurate TKW was reported while
> under provisional status"
>
> ...So what are you saying exactly? Should the 3 remaining stones be paired
> or not. True, they were obtained at a later time than the "Original" NWA
> 1929, but if they were confirmed to be from the same batch, then why
> couldn't NAU also instill the name NWA 1929 on the 3 remaining stones as
> well. I'm a little fuzzy on this part. Not picking, I'm just not sure!
>
> Rob said,
>
> ..."paired with NWA numbers pending" for Adam/Greg's
>
> This is the perfect CYA measure and I feel this is a great way to honestly
> go about dealing with these particular pieces.
>
>
>
> And that's all I have to say about that...
>
> Be Well,
> CJ Lebel
> IMCA# 3432
> www.cjsmeteorites.com
>
>
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