[meteorite-list] 'Rites & Wrong Cartoon (2), and Mike Farmer's Park Forest
From: Jeff Kuyken <jeff_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:56 2004 Message-ID: <006f01c41622$5c01af90$1b378690_at_mandin4f89ypwu> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C41676.2B1CB470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CONGRATULATIONS BILL! I do believe you have been inducted into the = "Blocked Senders List HALL OF FAME"! Pull your head out mate, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: joseph_town_at_att.net=20 To: Michael Farmer=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 'Rites & Wrong Cartoon (2), and Mike = Farmer's Park Forest Just another adventure Mike, I thought you were over that. Join the Lunar team Mike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I was blackmailed and threatened by Police Cheif DiGuardio, it was in = the papers, I was forced to return a $5000 piece of meteorite. I could = have fought it but did not have the time as I was traveling alot last = year.=20 He demanded the stone several times, threatend to file charges, then = in the newspaper interview, he said he never did that. If he had not = done that, I would not have returned the stone.=20 Mike Farmer To the people in Park Forest? Is that piece I returned to Police Cheif = DiGuardio on display in the town, or did he re-sale it.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: MexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20 To: thebigcollector_at_msn.com ; j-muchnik@villageofparkforest.com=20 Cc: meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 'Rites & Wrong Cartoon (2), and Mike = Farmer's Park Forest En un mensaje con fecha 03/29/2004 4:56:01 PM Mexico Standard Time, = thebigcollector_at_msn.com escribe: Such thefts did not occur in Park Forest and I resent the = implication that they did. =20 For those of us not fortunate enough to have the resources to visit = the fair town of Park Forest Illinois and partake in the thrilling = permitted hunting, this is interesting to read about, considering I am = always hearing about how dangerous Mexico is to travel in and whether = it's true or not, I don't much like hearing it. Without confronting the alledged racist content which is not my = place to opine on your culture, of what was alledged to be an innocent = cartoon, this got me thinking about politics in general. Is it true = that Mike Farmer was blackmailed in Park Forest by the Village Manager = and forced to give up something he honestly purchased in good faith? I = don't find any of this humorous anymore, as I assume that this Village = Manager person represents the interests of the Village of Park Forest as = she uses the official email of Park Forest. I really am nort interested = in the legality of all this, but just would like to make a point that = the next time someone from north of the Border tells me about Mexico, = check to see if all back home on the farm is as rosy as you think. A little internet browsing on Park Forest turns up an = African-American guy who was stopped for a traffic violation, denied his = lawyer, then beaten and tortured by racist police officers (said = officers convicted of racism) and given the death penalty for a murder = he tried to deny but was hooded and nearly smothered by a typewriter = cover, and denied food and bathroom for many hours until forced to sign = a clearly coerced confession. It also turns up another case of a young woman unloading the = groceries from her car who was then butchered to death by a knife = wielding 15 year old in Park Forest, who was not allowed a (parental = and) lawyer visit in accordance with Miranda rights. Interestingly, it also turns up a long essay by a person who seems = to be respectful, complaining about the lack of funding for public = school in Park Forest, as she complains that since the town of Park = Forest was founded it has gone downhill as its mall was basically = vacated in favor of other better situated places, leaving the town mall = in unacceptable shape. The writer patriotically points out that the = town sold some property to counteract the downward trend for a = apparently fair $350,000 or so, but then sent them their tax bill = assessment of basically the same amount, causing him to have to walk = (sounds like Farmer's dilemma?). The author? Janet Murchnik. Finally in its population of about 24,000 people, crime statistics = are available...two murders a year, 20 rapes a year, 20 robberies a = year, all about constant, but burglary (up 21% to 155), larceny (up 27% = to 468) and assault (up 42% to 54) are very disturbing as they showed = dramatic increases. (2002 / 2001) . I would like to congratulate Park Forest for hiring two new police = officers last week to combat this type of problem. But if this is a = safe town as the tone of the Village suggests, and if Wichita Kansas is = right up there with it....PF, a Pueblo of 24,000 souls ... that's = smaller than most major university student bodies. That is a very very = dangerous place by international standards. and it is considered safer = than surrounding communities? (Actually, Olympia Fields seems much more = safe per the statistics, so I am not sure about that). Perhaps Mark will even consider taking down his cartoon, if he were = treated with respect instead of the aggressive overtures of guilty = before deliberation: as it is clear why PF is so sensitive to these = issues, but in this case I don't understand why this type of = polarization must come to the list. I do understand Mark's problem: he = has been accused of something that is considered reason to be removed = from the IMCA ... so he is forced to speak up as he feels he is innocent = ... Why is he being walked into a corner? What ever happened to respect = and friendliness to get things done? How wonderful the meteorite chose = to make Park Forest special. I hope the town can make the best of it. = A lot of the natives were probably pretty happy with the needed income = they received from the meteorite hunters, publicity, and indirect = income. Congratulations! Saludos Doug Mexico=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C41676.2B1CB470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>CONGRATULATIONS BILL! I do believe you have been = inducted into=20 the "Blocked Senders List HALL OF FAME"!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Pull your head out mate,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Jeff</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Djoseph_town_at_att.net=20 href=3D"mailto:joseph_town_at_att.net">joseph_town@att.net</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dmeteoritehunter_at_comcast.net=20 href=3D"mailto:meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net">Michael Farmer</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, March 30, 2004 = 11:50=20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = 'Rites=20 & Wrong Cartoon (2), and Mike Farmer's Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Just another adventure Mike,<BR><BR>I thought you were = over=20 that.<BR><BR>Join the Lunar team Mike.<BR><BR><BR> <P> <HR> <P></P> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was blackmailed and threatened by = Police Cheif=20 DiGuardio, it was in the papers, I was forced to return a $5000 piece = of=20 meteorite. I could have fought it but did not have the time as I was = traveling=20 alot last year. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>He demanded the stone several times, = threatend to=20 file charges, then in the newspaper interview, he said he never did = that. If=20 he had not done that, I would not have returned the stone. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike Farmer</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To the people in Park Forest? Is that = piece I=20 returned to Police Cheif DiGuardio on display in the town, or did he = re-sale=20 it. </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3DMexicoDoug_at_aol.com=20 href=3D"mailto:MexicoDoug_at_aol.com">MexicoDoug@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Dthebigcollector_at_msn.com=20 href=3D"mailto:thebigcollector_at_msn.com">thebigcollector@msn.com</A> = ; <A=20 title=3Dj-muchnik_at_villageofparkforest.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:j-muchnik_at_villageofparkforest.com">j-muchnik@villageofpark= forest.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A=20 title=3Dmeteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com">meteorite-list@meteor= itecentral.com</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 29, 2004 = 6:04=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [meteorite-list] = 'Rites=20 & Wrong Cartoon (2), and Mike Farmer's Park Forest</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3DArial size=3D2=20 PTSIZE=3D"10" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">En un mensaje con fecha = 03/29/2004 4:56:01 PM=20 Mexico Standard Time, <A=20 href=3D"mailto:thebigcollector_at_msn.com">thebigcollector@msn.com</A>=20 escribe:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20 TYPE=3D"CITE">Such thefts did not occur in Park Forest and I resent = the=20 implication that they did. </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>For those of = us not=20 fortunate enough to have the resources to visit the fair town of = Park Forest=20 Illinois and partake in the thrilling permitted hunting, this is = interesting=20 to read about, considering I am always hearing about how dangerous = Mexico is=20 to travel in and whether it's true or not, I don't much like hearing = it.<BR><BR>Without confronting the alledged racist content which is = not my=20 place to opine on your culture, of what was alledged to be an = innocent=20 cartoon, this got me thinking about politics in general. Is it = true=20 that Mike Farmer was blackmailed in Park Forest by the Village = Manager and=20 forced to give up something he honestly purchased in good = faith? I=20 don't find any of this humorous anymore, as I assume that this = Village=20 Manager person represents the interests of the Village of Park = Forest as she=20 uses the official email of Park Forest. I really am nort = interested in=20 the legality of all this, but just would like to make a point that = the next=20 time someone from north of the Border tells me about Mexico, check = to see if=20 all back home on the farm is as rosy as you think.<BR><BR>A little = internet=20 browsing on Park Forest turns up an African-American guy who was = stopped for=20 a traffic violation, denied his lawyer, then beaten and tortured by = racist=20 police officers (said officers convicted of racism) and given the = death=20 penalty for a murder he tried to deny but was hooded and nearly = smothered by=20 a typewriter cover, and denied food and bathroom for many hours = until forced=20 to sign a clearly coerced confession.<BR><BR>It also turns up = another case=20 of a young woman unloading the groceries from her car who was then = butchered=20 to death by a knife wielding 15 year old in Park Forest, who was not = allowed=20 a (parental and) lawyer visit in accordance with Miranda=20 rights.<BR><BR>Interestingly, it also turns up a long essay by a = person who=20 seems to be respectful, complaining about the lack of funding for = public=20 school in Park Forest, as she complains that since the town of Park = Forest=20 was founded it has gone downhill as its mall was basically vacated = in favor=20 of other better situated places, leaving the town mall in = unacceptable=20 shape. The writer patriotically points out that the town sold = some=20 property to counteract the downward trend for a apparently fair = $350,000 or=20 so, but then sent them their tax bill assessment of basically the = same=20 amount, causing him to have to walk (sounds like Farmer's = dilemma?). =20 The author? Janet Murchnik.<BR><BR>Finally in its population = of about=20 24,000 people, crime statistics are available...two murders a year, = 20 rapes=20 a year, 20 robberies a year, all about constant, but burglary (up = 21% to=20 155), larceny (up 27% to 468) and assault (up 42% to 54) are very = disturbing=20 as they showed dramatic increases. (2002 / 2001) .<BR><BR>I would = like to=20 congratulate Park Forest for hiring two new police officers last = week to=20 combat this type of problem. But if this is a safe town as the = tone of=20 the Village suggests, and if Wichita Kansas is right up there with = it....PF,=20 a Pueblo of 24,000 souls ... that's smaller than most major = university=20 student bodies. That is a very very dangerous place by = international=20 standards. and it is considered safer than surrounding=20 communities? (Actually, Olympia Fields seems much more safe = per the=20 statistics, so I am not sure about that).<BR><BR>Perhaps Mark will = even=20 consider taking down his cartoon, if he were treated with respect = instead of=20 the aggressive overtures of guilty before deliberation: as it is = clear why=20 PF is so sensitive to these issues, but in this case I don't = understand why=20 this type of polarization must come to the list. I do = understand=20 Mark's problem: he has been accused of something that is considered = reason=20 to be removed from the IMCA ... so he is forced to speak up as he = feels he=20 is innocent ... Why is he being walked into a corner? What = ever=20 happened to respect and friendliness to get things done? How = wonderful=20 the meteorite chose to make Park Forest special. I hope the = town can=20 make the best of it. A lot of the natives were probably pretty = happy=20 with the needed income they received from the meteorite hunters, = publicity,=20 and indirect income. =20 Congratulations!<BR><BR>Saludos<BR>Doug<BR>Mexico</FONT>=20 </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C41676.2B1CB470-- Received on Tue 30 Mar 2004 01:43:45 AM PST |
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