[meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale

From: Michael Farmer <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:54 2004
Message-ID: <00fa01c41354$8748c3d0$0200a8c0_at_S0031628003>

You're right Adam, you never used Aid Mohammed or Mohammed Sbai (Right) he
is in the photos and was your driver like he was our driver when Greg and I
went. Both who worked for me from my first trip to Morocco. I know many
people (All European) had been working in Morocco before more, I never claim
otherwise, but I went there cold with Michael Cottingham, we had no
information other than going to the Desert. I started out that way.
Mike Farmer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe" <adamhupe_at_comcast.net>
To: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
Cc: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale


> Mike,
>
> The reason Greg requested to come along is because the ratios on your
> expeditions were not adding up. Do not forget who financed the largest
> portion of your so called "investment" expeditions until we took the big
> burn, you know what we mean. As a matter of fact, on successive
> expeditions, rare stones were showing up less and less with weight
> discrepancies. The last expedition we were involved in with you did not
> produce a single achondrite. There was no accountability for what was
being
> purchased with our money so call it a surprise audit in which you failed.
> We were busy running a succesful corporation at the time so we did not
have
> time to go into the field. After we sold the company, we decided we could
> do a better job ourselves in Morocco and did not use your contacts. You
> were not the first to work Morocco as there had been other dealers in
there
> years before you.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
> To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
>
>
> > Dean, I must quote you " The Hupes turf in Morocco" Sorry but, they are
a
> > couple of years behind me. I took Greg Hupe to Morocco at his request
and
> > showed him everything. Now look at what it gets me, screwed. The Hupes
> said
> > for years "We are not dealers, we are not dealers". Now they come off as
> the
> > largest dealers in the world like Casper. 150 items a day on eBay.
Welcome
> > to the club, they will harass anyone not them and make it look like you
> are
> > the one instigating it.
> > One of the top scientists in the world classified my LL6/7, if that is
> what
> > he says it is, then I believe him until another "scientist" proves
> > otherwise. I think he knows what he is doing and can explain why he gave
> it
> > that classification. I am not a scientist, don't want to be and
certainly
> > don't pretend to be like some people do.
> > Now that you are on their hit list, welcome to the club and hang on for
> more
> > $%^$%$ emails attacking you.
> > Mike Farmer
> > > Before I started selling thin sections I went to all
> > > of the major places (Including mining companies) that
> > > made thin sections commercially and started using the
> > > place where a major meteorite scientists told me was
> > > best.
> > > I never took the word of who made them. I had some
> > > made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this
> > > research) and then got long term meteorite scientists
> > > to pass them.
> > > Over the past few years a lot of scientists and
> > > serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if
> > > there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I
> > > would know about it. I have had two individuals
> > > familiar with thin sections tell me that they have
> > > seen all of the thin sections that are regularly
> > > commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only
> > > one that comes close to my quality is the ones that
> > > Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover
> > > slips which means that they are not suitable for
> > > classification work - but the quality is there).
> > > My thin sections have been used by numerous
> > >
> > > institutions for classification work and I havent herd
> > > complaints.
> > > It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of
> > > attacking other people who walk on their turf in
> > > Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about
> > > Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly.
> > > A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see
> > > Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have
> > > suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff
> > > questioned it he would ask in private to see more data
> > > and why this classification was made. I dont think
> > > that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was
> > > for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of
> > > his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be
> > > right or they may not. But a profesional with honest
> > > intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the
> > > middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed
> > > to hurt farmer.
> > > This might be a good time to point out that I have
> > > always considered the hubes to be good friends but
> > >
> > > last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them
> > > (Including that 474 gram "Twisted sister" meteorite
> > > that I bought from the people that normally deal with
> > > the hubes in morocco - how come only the Hubes come up
> > > with cutsy names like that. I wonder if "Twisted
> > > Sister" will get mentioned in the met bulletin - and
> > > does the tune "we're not going to take it" come daning
> > > in your mind when you see the hubes meteorites). Last
> > > week I bought a large number more achondrites in
> > > Morocco - some of which the Hubes have been trying to
> > > buy that I bought out from under them. I spent about
> > > $35,000 on this stuff (Many from the Hubes regular
> > > suppliers) and for the first time I suspect the Hubes
> > > are looking at me as a serious threat because
> > > typically I just stick to the cheap stuff that I can
> > > sell quickly for 20 cents a gram and just ignore the
> > > achondrites when they offer them to me. There is a 20
> > > kilo lot of the CV3 kicking around morocco right now
> > > that both me and the Hubes (And various other dealers)
> > >
> > > have been trying to buy.
> > > As we all know from reading past list discussions the
> > > Hubes play dirty when they experience competation.
> > > Just look at all of the unprovoked attacks that Farmer
> > > has had to put up with over the past year from the
> > > Hubes. I suspect that since I have made several
> > > purchases from the people in Morocco who the Hubes
> > > consider "their" connections that I will now also
> > > regularly become more of a target of the Hubes BS.
> > > Just see if the Hubes make more list comments about my
> > > stuff over the next 6 months. This wouldent happen if
> > > I never bought from their connections in morocco. But
> > > thats not going to prevent me from buying from the
> > > Hubes sources in morocco in the future if I get
> > > offered a good deal.
> > > I realize that when adam wakes up that he is going to
> > > stagger around in a drunken stuper and then write
> > > something else condemming something that I sell but
> > > this will be my last email on the topic. I dont wish
> > > to carry this further. I have been a part of enough
> > >
> > > mud slinging contests on this list and I dont have a
> > > desire to get serious into another one. To many people
> > > have left (Or no longer post) to this list already
> > > because of various fights that I somehow am often a
> > > part of (Although I have never provoked any - you know
> > > you are considered a "problem" when you get attacked.
> > > Sort of a rite of passage in the meteorite world it
> > > seems). When Adam wakes up he can huff and puff and
> > > rant and rave and cry like a baby. But I wont come
> > > back for more and I wont stop buying from the Hubes
> > > sources in morocco.
> > > My sincerest apologies to list members who have to yet
> > > again put up with this crap. I made a single list
> > > posting yesterday advertising my stuff for sale on
> > > ebay and had no idea that I would get an unprovoked
> > > attack from somebody who I have always considered a
> > > friend. This whole thread should have been a single
> > > posting about my sale. New unknowledgable collectors
> > > dont spend $50 on thin sections. About half my thin
> > >
> > > sections goes to people with petrology experience. I
> > > am not taking the word of the guy who makes them as to
> > > their high quality. I am taking the word of a good
> > > portion of the worlds top meteorite experts.
> > > And this will be my last posting on this topic.
> > > So, how bout those leafs?
> > > DEAN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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