[meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:54 2004
The reason Greg requested to come along is because the ratios on your
expeditions were not adding up. Do not forget who financed the largest
portion of your so called "investment" expeditions until we took the big
burn, you know what we mean. As a matter of fact, on successive
expeditions, rare stones were showing up less and less with weight
discrepancies. The last expedition we were involved in with you did not
produce a single achondrite. There was no accountability for what was being
purchased with our money so call it a surprise audit in which you failed.
We were busy running a succesful corporation at the time so we did not have
time to go into the field. After we sold the company, we decided we could
do a better job ourselves in Morocco and did not use your contacts. You
were not the first to work Morocco as there had been other dealers in there
years before you.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Farmer" <meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale
> Dean, I must quote you " The Hupes turf in Morocco" Sorry but, they are a
> couple of years behind me. I took Greg Hupe to Morocco at his request and
> showed him everything. Now look at what it gets me, screwed. The Hupes
> for years "We are not dealers, we are not dealers". Now they come off as
> largest dealers in the world like Casper. 150 items a day on eBay. Welcome
> to the club, they will harass anyone not them and make it look like you
> the one instigating it.
> One of the top scientists in the world classified my LL6/7, if that is
> he says it is, then I believe him until another "scientist" proves
> otherwise. I think he knows what he is doing and can explain why he gave
> that classification. I am not a scientist, don't want to be and certainly
> don't pretend to be like some people do.
> Now that you are on their hit list, welcome to the club and hang on for
> $%^$%$ emails attacking you.
> Mike Farmer
> > Before I started selling thin sections I went to all
> > of the major places (Including mining companies) that
> > made thin sections commercially and started using the
> > place where a major meteorite scientists told me was
> > best.
> > I never took the word of who made them. I had some
> > made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this
> > research) and then got long term meteorite scientists
> > to pass them.
> > Over the past few years a lot of scientists and
> > serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if
> > there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I
> > would know about it. I have had two individuals
> > familiar with thin sections tell me that they have
> > seen all of the thin sections that are regularly
> > commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only
> > one that comes close to my quality is the ones that
> > Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover
> > slips which means that they are not suitable for
> > classification work - but the quality is there).
> > My thin sections have been used by numerous
> > institutions for classification work and I havent herd
> > complaints.
> > It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of
> > attacking other people who walk on their turf in
> > Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about
> > Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly.
> > A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see
> > Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have
> > suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff
> > questioned it he would ask in private to see more data
> > and why this classification was made. I dont think
> > that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was
> > for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of
> > his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be
> > right or they may not. But a profesional with honest
> > intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the
> > middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed
> > to hurt farmer.
> > This might be a good time to point out that I have
> > always considered the hubes to be good friends but
> > last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them
> > (Including that 474 gram "Twisted sister" meteorite
> > that I bought from the people that normally deal with
> > the hubes in morocco - how come only the Hubes come up
> > with cutsy names like that. I wonder if "Twisted
> > Sister" will get mentioned in the met bulletin - and
> > does the tune "we're not going to take it" come daning
> > in your mind when you see the hubes meteorites). Last
> > week I bought a large number more achondrites in
> > Morocco - some of which the Hubes have been trying to
> > buy that I bought out from under them. I spent about
> > $35,000 on this stuff (Many from the Hubes regular
> > suppliers) and for the first time I suspect the Hubes
> > are looking at me as a serious threat because
> > typically I just stick to the cheap stuff that I can
> > sell quickly for 20 cents a gram and just ignore the
> > achondrites when they offer them to me. There is a 20
> > kilo lot of the CV3 kicking around morocco right now
> > that both me and the Hubes (And various other dealers)
> > have been trying to buy.
> > As we all know from reading past list discussions the
> > Hubes play dirty when they experience competation.
> > Just look at all of the unprovoked attacks that Farmer
> > has had to put up with over the past year from the
> > Hubes. I suspect that since I have made several
> > purchases from the people in Morocco who the Hubes
> > consider "their" connections that I will now also
> > regularly become more of a target of the Hubes BS.
> > Just see if the Hubes make more list comments about my
> > stuff over the next 6 months. This wouldent happen if
> > I never bought from their connections in morocco. But
> > thats not going to prevent me from buying from the
> > Hubes sources in morocco in the future if I get
> > offered a good deal.
> > I realize that when adam wakes up that he is going to
> > stagger around in a drunken stuper and then write
> > something else condemming something that I sell but
> > this will be my last email on the topic. I dont wish
> > to carry this further. I have been a part of enough
> > mud slinging contests on this list and I dont have a
> > desire to get serious into another one. To many people
> > have left (Or no longer post) to this list already
> > because of various fights that I somehow am often a
> > part of (Although I have never provoked any - you know
> > you are considered a "problem" when you get attacked.
> > Sort of a rite of passage in the meteorite world it
> > seems). When Adam wakes up he can huff and puff and
> > rant and rave and cry like a baby. But I wont come
> > back for more and I wont stop buying from the Hubes
> > sources in morocco.
> > My sincerest apologies to list members who have to yet
> > again put up with this crap. I made a single list
> > posting yesterday advertising my stuff for sale on
> > ebay and had no idea that I would get an unprovoked
> > attack from somebody who I have always considered a
> > friend. This whole thread should have been a single
> > posting about my sale. New unknowledgable collectors
> > dont spend $50 on thin sections. About half my thin
> > sections goes to people with petrology experience. I
> > am not taking the word of the guy who makes them as to
> > their high quality. I am taking the word of a good
> > portion of the worlds top meteorite experts.
> > And this will be my last posting on this topic.
> > So, how bout those leafs?
> > DEAN
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