[meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale

From: Adam Hupe <adamhupe_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:54 2004
Message-ID: <001101c41349$d69a6700$ad971018_at_attbi.com>


I thought you were an honest but misinformed dealer but have reconsidered
after all of the false statements made in your last postings. If you are
going to make up garbage, please spell our name correctly. You have no
contacts in common with us in Morocco, Mauritania or the Western Sahara so I
do not have a clue to what you are talking about. The Moroccan half of team
LunarRock does not even know who you are so how could you be getting
material from them? The answer is simple, you are not.

Be careful about lying because we are not bidding against you on anything in
Morocco or anywhere else. We are not interested in pursuing items in common
with you. Some pairings show up from time to time but you would not know
because you do not even bother with classifications. I do not even believe
you maintain a collection so I guess it is all about making a few bucks for
you regardless of scientific value.

You claim our stuff is overpriced yet most of our auctions start at just 99
cents. We donate kilos of NWA material to institutions for free, doesn't
get much cheaper than that. The rare occasion that we sell bulk
unclassified specimens to the public they are priced 25% less than what you
charge. You do not polish your material so you have no preparation time
invested. You have no polishing loses making well prepared specimens a
bargain by comparison.

I did not name NWA 1836 the "Twisted Sister" and have never used this term
in the promotion of any items so you are barking up the wrong tree.

As far as your thin-sections go, let your images speak for themselves. If I
see something that I do not believe is correct I am not afraid to point it
out. I think this will be the last posting regarding this subject, as well.

All the best,


----- Original Message -----
From: "dean bessey" <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
To: <meteorite-list_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Cc: <deanbessey_at_yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 6:04 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay THIN SECTIONS Sale

> Before I started selling thin sections I went to all
> of the major places (Including mining companies) that
> made thin sections commercially and started using the
> place where a major meteorite scientists told me was
> best.
> I never took the word of who made them. I had some
> made from various places (Spent over $1000 on this
> research) and then got long term meteorite scientists
> to pass them.
> Over the past few years a lot of scientists and
> serious hobyists have seen my thin section and if
> there was a wholesale problem with my thin sections I
> would know about it. I have had two individuals
> familiar with thin sections tell me that they have
> seen all of the thin sections that are regularly
> commercially sold to meteorite collectors and the only
> one that comes close to my quality is the ones that
> Michael Blood sells (And Bloods generally have cover
> slips which means that they are not suitable for
> classification work - but the quality is there).
> My thin sections have been used by numerous
> institutions for classification work and I havent herd
> complaints.
> It should be noted that the Hubes have this habit of
> attacking other people who walk on their turf in
> Morocco. Just yesterday the Hubes started talkig about
> Farmers new LL6/7 in light of questioning it publicly.
> A professional wouldent have done that. You wont see
> Jeff Groosman doing that even if he did have
> suspicions that the classification was wrong. If Jeff
> questioned it he would ask in private to see more data
> and why this classification was made. I dont think
> that anybody believes that the Hubes effort here was
> for anything other than to deep six farmers sale of
> his new meteorite. They may indeed turn out to be
> right or they may not. But a profesional with honest
> intentions wouldent have done that yesterday in the
> middle of farmers sale. It was another email designed
> to hurt farmer.
> This might be a good time to point out that I have
> always considered the hubes to be good friends but
> last month I bought 10 achondrites out from under them
> (Including that 474 gram "Twisted sister" meteorite
> that I bought from the people that normally deal with
> the hubes in morocco - how come only the Hubes come up
> with cutsy names like that. I wonder if "Twisted
> Sister" will get mentioned in the met bulletin - and
> does the tune "we're not going to take it" come daning
> in your mind when you see the hubes meteorites). Last
> week I bought a large number more achondrites in
> Morocco - some of which the Hubes have been trying to
> buy that I bought out from under them. I spent about
> $35,000 on this stuff (Many from the Hubes regular
> suppliers) and for the first time I suspect the Hubes
> are looking at me as a serious threat because
> typically I just stick to the cheap stuff that I can
> sell quickly for 20 cents a gram and just ignore the
> achondrites when they offer them to me. There is a 20
> kilo lot of the CV3 kicking around morocco right now
> that both me and the Hubes (And various other dealers)
> have been trying to buy.
> As we all know from reading past list discussions the
> Hubes play dirty when they experience competation.
> Just look at all of the unprovoked attacks that Farmer
> has had to put up with over the past year from the
> Hubes. I suspect that since I have made several
> purchases from the people in Morocco who the Hubes
> consider "their" connections that I will now also
> regularly become more of a target of the Hubes BS.
> Just see if the Hubes make more list comments about my
> stuff over the next 6 months. This wouldent happen if
> I never bought from their connections in morocco. But
> thats not going to prevent me from buying from the
> Hubes sources in morocco in the future if I get
> offered a good deal.
> I realize that when adam wakes up that he is going to
> stagger around in a drunken stuper and then write
> something else condemming something that I sell but
> this will be my last email on the topic. I dont wish
> to carry this further. I have been a part of enough
> mud slinging contests on this list and I dont have a
> desire to get serious into another one. To many people
> have left (Or no longer post) to this list already
> because of various fights that I somehow am often a
> part of (Although I have never provoked any - you know
> you are considered a "problem" when you get attacked.
> Sort of a rite of passage in the meteorite world it
> seems). When Adam wakes up he can huff and puff and
> rant and rave and cry like a baby. But I wont come
> back for more and I wont stop buying from the Hubes
> sources in morocco.
> My sincerest apologies to list members who have to yet
> again put up with this crap. I made a single list
> posting yesterday advertising my stuff for sale on
> ebay and had no idea that I would get an unprovoked
> attack from somebody who I have always considered a
> friend. This whole thread should have been a single
> posting about my sale. New unknowledgable collectors
> dont spend $50 on thin sections. About half my thin
> sections goes to people with petrology experience. I
> am not taking the word of the guy who makes them as to
> their high quality. I am taking the word of a good
> portion of the worlds top meteorite experts.
> And this will be my last posting on this topic.
> So, how bout those leafs?
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