[meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
From: meteoritehunter_at_comcast.net <meteoritehunter_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:44 2004
gotta answer a few points Adam,
1. I "destroyed" Thuathe? I got almost 20 kilograms from the locals, paid them a FAIR price unlike Mr Ronnie McKenzie who was happy to pay then one CENT per gram. I sold for $6.00 to $8 gram, so Im not sure how that is "destroying" the price. Perhaps you can clarify that one for me?
Did you not hand me the paperwork for it? Tell us all please if I somehow "stole" it from you. I was offended by your partners wife, so instead of buying from you, I went and got it myself. Again, I fail to see the problem.
2. Bensour, I got over 25 kilos of that fall. I was at the tucson show when it fell, I never said or implied that I was the first, Dean Bessey posted it for sale if I recall before anyone. you seem to imply that I "destroyed" Bensour by selling at a loss. No Adam, I think I cost myself alot of money, and made some EXTREMELY happy collectors and museums. you seem to think that collectors want to pay top dollar? Again, I fail to see the logic in that post. I got a meteorite, had a spat with Bessy, and sold cheap to make a point. The point was made I belive. So I guess a few dealers were not happy. I am not here to please other dealers, only my customers and myself.
3. On this fall, fine, so be it, I did not know you had it, have been busy in the field in Oman and elswhere, while you sit at home getting DHL packages, so since you did get it first, my hat is off to you, congratulations, I know you like to play junior scientist, so go for it. I never said I was the only one on this, I announced it when I got it in my hands, if that broke open your little secret, well, I guess you should have coordinated with me on that.
And I did not say you made up anything to trump me, however, it would not be the first time that someone has posted that they have tons of material when they do not.
Casper used to do that all the time, he did it with NWA 482 and many other meteorites. I dont think that asking to see the material is a problem if you have it? If that is a problem, tell us what it is?
4. why would I damage the market? I want o offer my customers a good price while making a profit for myself and my partners, that is the crux of American business. Are you saying I should mark it up many more times than I paid? What price do you want Adam, $100 gram, $50 gram?
The things you said Adam were wrong, I have answered them point by point logically.
I would think the collectors on this list want good meteorites at the best possible prices. If you are telling me that they are angry that I sold Bensour cheap, damn, I had better raise my prices accross the board and make everyone happy again. Ill bet that will raise some smiles from my customers.
Adam, sorry I "stumbled" onto your fall. This was my 30th COUNT them 30 trips to Morocco. I think you have been ONE time?
> Dear Mike and List Members,
> This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some
> as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new
> fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest
> posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual
> arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the
> First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check
> with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been
> aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us,
> not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations
> that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will
> show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for
> accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too
> worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only
> amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors.
> Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are
> aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show,
> that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific
> community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you
> recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made
> it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and
> classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never
> claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to
> get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this
> dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the
> last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the
> plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all.
> Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than
> your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known
> collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When you
> pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your
> intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist are
> saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source.
> Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past including
> Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago before
> you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another 23
> kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the
> coordinates we "supposedly" gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in
> customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple
> of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This
> caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer
> attractive and we sent most of the material back.
> As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the Amgala
> fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this negativity.
> Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people?
> Anyway this is some gorgeous looking material with a lots of stories yet to
> be translated still coming in. Stay tuned.
> Wishing everybody the best,
> Adam and Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> IMCA 2185
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Received on Mon 01 Mar 2004 05:38:42 PM PST