[meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

From: Michael L Blood <mlblood_at_meteoritecentral.com>
Date: Thu Apr 22 10:32:44 2004
Message-ID: <BC6910FD.11C91%mlblood_at_cox.net>

Why is all of this being done ON THE LIST instead of in private?
            Sincerely, Michael



on 3/1/04 1:43 PM, star-bits_at_comcast.net at star-bits@comcast.net wrote:

> <The 23 kilograms was stuck in
> customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple
> of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This
> caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer
> attractive and we sent most of the material back.>
>
> These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have kept my
> mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of thuathe
> trip this time I decided to post the facts.
> Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for their
> thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00 per
> gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that Tony
> was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was
> paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards,
> but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single
> piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for.
> I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those
> pieces.
> After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have pretty much
> maintained those prices since. The only way we "proceeded to destroy the
> market" was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier shafted you by
> raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the fact Mike and I
> paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will be the last we
> have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field and how we
> destroyed the market.
>
> --
> Eric Olson
> ELKK Meteorites
> http://www.star-bits.com
>> Dear Mike and List Members,
>>
>> This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some
>> as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new
>> fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest
>> posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual
>> arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the
>> past.
>>
>> First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check
>> with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been
>> aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us,
>> not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations
>> that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will
>> show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for
>> accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too
>> worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only
>
>> amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors.
>>
>> Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are
>> aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show,
>> that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific
>> community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you
>> recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made
>> it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and
>> classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never
>> claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to
>> get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this
>> dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the
>> last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the
>> plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all.
>>
>
>> Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than
>> your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known
>> collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When you
>> pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your
>> intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist are
>> saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source.
>>
>> Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past including
>> Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago before
>> you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another 23
>> kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the
>> coordinates we "supposedly" gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in
>> customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple
>> of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This
>
>> caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer
>> attractive and we sent most of the material back.
>>
>> As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the Amgala
>> fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this negativity.
>> Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people?
>> Anyway this is some gorgeous looking material with a lots of stories yet to
>> be translated still coming in. Stay tuned.
>>
>> Wishing everybody the best,
>>
>> Adam and Greg Hupe
>> The Hupe Collection
>> IMCA 2185
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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